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Super Kerr-Induced Nanocoatings (SKINs) Feedback thread

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Dave kazkade
Lethal Devotion
#81 - 2015-04-03 05:26:03 UTC
Im more wondering what the pricing of the skins will be, since that the skins are perm instead of a 1 time use bpc will this raise the isk value of the skins on the market as well as the cost on the NEX store?
Daniel Fergus
Molon Labe.
#82 - 2015-04-03 06:04:17 UTC
It would be cool if we could preview the skins before we buy them.

I also hope that at some point we get kaalakiota skins.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#83 - 2015-04-03 06:28:20 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
Are there long term plans to make SKINS independent from specific ships?
I.e. let's say you have a Quafe license, so you'd be allowed to fly all your ships in Quafe colors.


We may sell bundles, and we could have a SKIN license that applies to multiple ships, but it would have to be specified per ship. So yes, it is possible, just not for launch.

Are you guys thinking of making a variety of skins that will fit on most every ship of a single race?

For instance, will we be able to have all of our Gallente ships done up in Allastra colors and all of our Caldari ships done up in Ishukone?

Also will we see skins for T2 and faction ships, and will various ships be able to use the color scheme of the T2 manufacturers (personally, I'd like to be able to use anyone's colors on any ship, and have T2 and faction ships differentiated just through geometry changes; most T2 ships do have different geometry already.)
Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#84 - 2015-04-03 07:33:26 UTC
Somehow the idea of a Sansha Nightmare done up in full pimp Amarr red and gold... seems very strange... lol

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#85 - 2015-04-03 07:39:12 UTC
I would think things like the Pirate faction ships that have their own hulls would have the own SKINS, but navy issue stuff and ships like the worm that use empire hulls, I don't see why not be able to use the skins available to said base hull.
Eria Quint
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2015-04-03 09:23:14 UTC
Didn't test it out yet but i'm wondering what happens if you have the option "Match theme to active ship" turned on in the settings. Will color change when you eg apply the quafe skin license to a Obelisk. Will it keep the Gallente color theme or will it change to a "quafe"/blue theme ?

Don't think a green/gallente theme really matches a Quafe "skinned" Obelisk.

Tnx in advance for the feeback on this.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#87 - 2015-04-03 10:25:17 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Lena Lazair wrote:
How will existing skin BPs/skinned ship variants be converted to the new SKIN licensing? Or will they just be left in legacy-style until all used up?

My Naglfar Justice Edition is still a Naglfar Justice Edition on Sisi. I can't even use a SKIN on it somehow to switch between the normal Naglfar skin and the Justice Edition, it's stuck that way.


The skin only works on the base Naglfar ship, that is to be expected. Your Neglfar, assuming you have it come release, will be converted to a normal one and you will be given a skin.

I figured this would be the case. I'm happy with this.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#88 - 2015-04-03 10:58:42 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Metal Icarus wrote:
Maybe not so much SUPER as they are SUPERFICIAL

Superficial Kerr-Induced Nanocoating

AND it makes sense!

just saying


Kerr effect is an actual thing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_effect So super kerr is proper.


Superficial doesn't mean fake - it is entirely fitting here too.

su·per·fi·cial
ˌso͞opərˈfiSHəl/
adjective
adjective: superficial

existing or occurring at or on the surface.
"the building suffered only superficial damage"
synonyms: surface, exterior, external, outer, outside, slight
"superficial burns"
antonyms: deep, thorough
situated or occurring on the skin or immediately beneath it.
"the superficial muscle groups"
appearing to be true or real only until examined more closely.
"the resemblance between the breeds is superficial"

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#89 - 2015-04-03 11:01:27 UTC
Surface Kerr-Induced Nanocoating?

I'm all for the Kerr-Induced Nanocoating part, it's just putting Super in front of it sounds awful.
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#90 - 2015-04-03 12:30:13 UTC
Eria Quint wrote:
Didn't test it out yet but i'm wondering what happens if you have the option "Match theme to active ship" turned on in the settings. Will color change when you eg apply the quafe skin license to a Obelisk. Will it keep the Gallente color theme or will it change to a "quafe"/blue theme ?

Don't think a green/gallente theme really matches a Quafe "skinned" Obelisk.

Tnx in advance for the feeback on this.



At this time the two features have no impact on eachother

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#91 - 2015-04-03 12:31:36 UTC
Daniel Fergus wrote:
It would be cool if we could preview the skins before we buy them.

I also hope that at some point we get kaalakiota skins.


You can do that now from the fitting screen, you can select skins you don't own and view them right there. We hope to also add this to the 3D preview of ships later

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#92 - 2015-04-03 12:32:01 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
Is there any reason that the Rattlesnake Victory Edition didn't get the SKIN treatment? All it is is a skinned Rattlesnake. I would really love to PvP in a Victory Skinned Rattlesnake without losing the skin when the ship goes pop.


Yes there is a reason, it's being looked into :)

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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#93 - 2015-04-03 12:32:17 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
No plan at this time, technically possible, we have just not thought much about the T2 ships yet

There are some previews in the game for T2 Marauder BPCs. Will these be released as skins in the April update? (ie: Golem Guristas/Kaalakiota/Nugoeihuvi, Kronos Police/Quafe/Inner Zone, Paladin Blood Raider/Kador/Tash-Murkon, Vargur Justice/Krusual/Nefantar).


At this time those will not be making their way to TQ.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#94 - 2015-04-03 12:46:24 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Tryaz wrote:
What are the AUR prices of new skins?


Not yet announced


In other words, grossly overpriced.


Out of curiosity... what would you define as overpriced?

Anything over a quarter of the value of the hull. 1 PLEX = 3500 AUR = 800 million ISK. In that scale, 1 AUR = 230000 ISK, or about one half the price of a frigate. . For a battle ship, 250 AUR would be one quarter the hull value.

The other way to think about it is this: RP wise, an ISK is supposed to be a tremendous amount of money to the average person. If you look at the cost of a cruise missile in game, and the cost of a real life cruise missile, 1 ISK = $1000. Lets call this the Role Play conversion.

On that RP conversion, 1 AUR = $230 million. A 1000 AUR item in the NEX store is a $230 BILLION item. That's part of the issue with the NEX store. You are not selling $800 pants, you are selling $1 trillion pants. It just makes no sense.

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ApertureKubi
Blut Krieg Sturmtruppen
#95 - 2015-04-03 14:23:48 UTC
What's going happen to the Quafe and other variants of the Iteron IV/Miasmos?

That ship was originally a lower requirement Iteron IV before the rebalance, after the SKIN release will it be a Miasmos skin or will it be for another one of the Gallente Industrials?
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#96 - 2015-04-03 14:46:59 UTC
ApertureKubi wrote:
What's going happen to the Quafe and other variants of the Iteron IV/Miasmos?

That ship was originally a lower requirement Iteron IV before the rebalance, after the SKIN release will it be a Miasmos skin or will it be for another one of the Gallente Industrials?



A full list of whats being converted will be included in an upcoming dev blog

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#97 - 2015-04-03 14:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
CCP FoxFour wrote:
At this time those will not be making their way to TQ.

Well that sucks. Evil Does "at this time" mean never, delayed or indefinitely on-hold?

The original dev blog hinted that some SKINs might come as packages that you can apply to multiple hulls. Is this still planned or are we looking at individual SKINs only? If this is still something being considered, how will it work if I buy a "Guristas" package now with x number of SKINs that later gets expanded to y SKINs? Do I receive the additional SKINs as a free upgrade?

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#98 - 2015-04-03 15:12:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Regarding the whole pricepoint issue...
It's a permanent skin for a ship.

There are hundreds...

There will be more...

The basis for most micro transactions is to keep them as micro transactions. Nobody will go out and buy a 30 dollar skin.

Frigates destroyers and cruisers, 99c (venture/prospect not included)
Battle cruisers and battleships, 1,99
Capitals (orca and rorqual not included) 2.99
Barges (see below)

Combo offers
Amarr master race subcap combo, 5 skins of amarr frigate, destroyer and cruisers (your choice, species locked 3.99)
Amarr master race battle combo, 3 skins battle cruiser and battleship (your choice, Species locked, 4.99
Amarr master race capital combo, 3 skins, dreadnought, carrier, supercarrier and titan (your choice, species locked, 5.99)

Repeat for other 4 races.

Combo offer. Mixed offers.
Mixed subcaps, frigate destroyer cruiser, 6 skins (your choice any race any blend, 4.99)
Mixed battle, battle cruiser and battleship, 4 skins (your choice any race any blend, 5.99)
Mixed capitalism, 4 skins, (your choice any race, any blend, 7.99)

Combo offer.
Miners delight. Two barge skins + one venture/prospect bonus skin or one orca bonus skin or one rorqual bonus skin, 2.99

If I'm a fleet warfare pilot and focus on amarr small ships, the amarr combo pack, 3.99, I get my choice of 5 skins. if I want full discression, I'll have to invest more but I'll get more.

Something like that. Can pick single options, or pick tons of skins.

Yaay!!!!
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#99 - 2015-04-03 16:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
In other words, grossly overpriced.

Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.


There are three ways to go, the result will be determined as to which they choose.
They can:-

1. Use the concept of high end designer clothing, $1000 designer jeans if you will, and sell a small amount, and gain a small amount of revenue. (This didn't work out so well)

Or.
2. Use the concept of "a PC on every desktop" price it at a level, that everyone can and will afford, where they sell tens of thousands or in time hundreds of thousands and earn an absolute fortune, and have happy customers.

Or
3. Price it in the middle and annoy the majority of players, whilst earning almost nothing.

It will be interesting to see if their marketing department is intelligent, aware, and in touch with the current world.
Or living in the past and urgently in need of a refresh.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#100 - 2015-04-03 16:23:35 UTC
i think combo deals would distort prices somewhat and seems a little unnecessary

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

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