Wormholes

Watchlists are huge with supers, since leaving them logged on is a real security risk (drifting out of a POS due to accidental click, bump by a spy, etc.). It's also a crucial tool for hunting lone supers as they log in to make moves.

It's not exactly breaking the game though. Especially with everything else going on in EVE these days (sov, structures, etc.), I don't think watchlisting warrants attention from CCP right now.

(Edit: obviously supers aren't relevant to wormholes, but that's IMO the most significant use of watchlists in terms of gameplay balance, so it would be relevant to any change)

Watchlists are overpowered and unbalanced. I would strongly urge the people who have thought otherwise to change reevaluate their position.

Once you are watchlisted, you have no ability to mitigate that one way or the other, making it inherently unbalanced. It also gives you free intel in the form of notifications if anyone is in actually in-game. Some have said that it doesn't give you location intel. It can easily tell you when someone is logged in the game in your chain which is more than enough to stalk. Many a log off/ log on trap or super/titan have been orchestrated at the expense of only a bit of elbow grease. Watchlists are instrumental and invaluable in evictions to gage the level of opposition you are likely to face at a moment in time, both on the defender or and attacker side.

I am strongly of the opinion that they should be removed (as well as local in null). They removed api killmail pulls so I don't see why this couldn't be removed from wh space or globally as well.

Current friendship functionality can easily be restored by a function of mutual consent to watch-listing or when chars are blue to each other.

Just going to jump in quickly to stop any fears about this. Our general rule with the API is that you cannot get anything in it you cannot get in game. The game does not tell you when someone adds you as a contact/watchlist unless the person checks that little box to do it. The API is not going to either, at least not in any directly useful way.

When we did the yearly stats we thought it would be OK to add the number of times you have been added as a contact there because it's yearly aggregate information. There is no way to know in the last hour someone did it, all it tells you is X people did it in the year 2014.

Unless the game changes to tell you this stuff in the client the API wont either.

Hope that answers your questions/concerns about that. :)

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a watchlist? Sounds like something important for a newb adventuring in WH

I think watch lists should function sort of how the locator agents function. You would have to go to a "watch list agent" and they would tell you whether your target has been online in the past ~30 minutes. That way you wouldn't immediately know when Alliance A Bridging Titan logs in unless you were actively checking. This way you would still be able to get relatively accurate information but you would actually have to do something to get it.

For those who use watch lists for social purposes perhaps make it function as it does now if both parties add each other.

am fine with it staying, fine with it getting removed.

i would get content from both personally wich is all i care abou

It's utter garbage that my aeon pilot (obviously not in a wh) can't log in w/out allerting potential prey that my bridge is now available to wonk up on them. Free intel on if my super is online or offline is game breaking. It's bad enough I can't dock the darn thing - everone and their brother knows when I log it in.

We need to get rid of watch lists or at least destroy their present functionality.

SOS - Save Our Supers!!!

Holy crap there are some whiny cunts in w-space these days. Back in my day...

HTFU or GTFO.

I remember being shocked to learn watch lists didn't require mutual consent and offered 100% accurate and instant Intel the first time j figured out what they were.

Well, the Intel of local is mutual. Everyone in local can see everyone else in local. I can by counter watch list everyone in a corp that's my target, and use that info unbeknownst to them to figure out when to run locator agents. Or for instance a corp I am camping can watch list me and know when not to run sites, or when to. Kind of detracts from the mystery of it for me.