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What Eve Should Look Like
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#21 - 2011-12-03 21:46:29 UTC
I like how nova loves to make excuses... idc where the engines are coming from. My point here is this game is from 04, and it looks a hell of alot better than eve.

Now of course, I think at the most you could get 12 people in multi player... But again, this is 04, running on a PC from 04.

Make up what ever you want. In eve, your guns hit what like 3 spots, missles hit INSIDE the center of the ship, inside the model?

Come on, eve is the best we can do in 2011? Soon to be 2012? in 2011, in a mmo, we can not get wepons to inpact the model of the ship but only the center (won't even mention stations, poses, etc)? Give me a break. The ship explosions... suck... cap ship explosions should look way better...

Also do not care about 10 y-o with laptop... should be worried about school... not playing eve.

My laptop don't play eve, idc, I have a desktop for that... and it looks sweet.

I just I saw the miss effects for the first time today... and was so disapointed... and then when only I could see them I just loled.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2011-12-03 21:53:22 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Now of course, I think at the most you could get 12 people in multi player... But again, this is 04, running on a PC from 04.
…and that was pretty poor, even by '04 standards.
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Also do not care about 10 y-o with laptop... should be worried about school... not playing eve.
Lol You should probably re-read that one.
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-03 21:53:39 UTC
@OP: Only thing in that video that I think could be realistically added to EVE is the last thing you see:



Ship explosions. THAT is how ships should die. Not this weak little puff we have now.
thrasherht
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#24 - 2011-12-03 22:26:51 UTC
I would just like to put. This is how an ion thruster is suppose to look. Not the crap we have in eve now.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310726_260692213976111_126238694088131_818701_125587458_n.jpg
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#25 - 2011-12-03 22:45:28 UTC
I agree ship explosions is something they can do it would require about 300 new base models but they already did it for some things already such as the titans.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#26 - 2011-12-03 22:49:15 UTC
Also Mine craft has some pertty horendous graphics yet its one of the better games out there.

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Kinta Huron
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-12-03 23:17:48 UTC
I just blew a massive load after watching that, and real physics!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#28 - 2011-12-03 23:37:03 UTC
No game today has real physics just imitations of it.

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SpaceSquirrels
#29 - 2011-12-03 23:56:19 UTC
Meh planets looked good everything else like the animations...meh.

Would be cool if there were hit boxes in eve. Knock out weapons, engines etc. Ships dont only esplode rather get knocked out and can salvage entire ships completely.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#30 - 2011-12-04 00:14:21 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I agree ship explosions is something they can do it would require about 300 new base models but they already did it for some things already such as the titans.


So why does my maller look different? CCP can work on it...

Caps can blow up rather than just sploding into a empty wreck...

lol @ minecraft. I hate that game, cant stand the grahpics...

Everything you post is your opinion... MC is a digital erector set and has NOTHING to do with eve Roll


You must really dislike change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAam9HmeLoE here is a mod to the game... so more updated backrounds, ship models etc...

YES

Psh backround looks just like eve's if not better.

Again someone say no, eve should NEVER have missle trails like that, graphics like that, impacts, etc...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2011-12-04 00:18:58 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
lol @ minecraft. I hate that game, cant stand the grahpics...
Is that a cause or a consequence?
Minecraft has quite a lot to do with EVE, actually…
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2011-12-04 00:26:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
supersexysucker wrote:
lol @ minecraft. I hate that game, cant stand the grahpics...
Is that a cause or a consequence?
Minecraft has quite a lot to do with EVE, actually…


Aside from mining, only creepers causing grief comes to mind.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#33 - 2011-12-04 00:26:50 UTC
available to play
not available to play


apples
oranges
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#34 - 2011-12-04 01:10:51 UTC
Morganta wrote:
available to play
not available to play


apples
oranges


nexus 1 is available
supersexysucker wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
thats a pre rendered trailer. please link to nexus the game and i would (partially) agree if you speak of physics and weapon effects.


Psh, here is the orginal game, in HD, I really don't think the trailer is wrong for the upgrade of it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6PRJMddV4E

Note I am not talking about the game play... I am talking effects, the effects are SOOO much better... also lets note this game is from 2004.

Also nexus 2 is in post production... feel free to donate...

http://www.games-plant.com/nexus2/


how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2011-12-04 01:17:24 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Minecraft has quite a lot to do with EVE, actually…
Aside from mining, only creepers causing grief comes to mind.
Sandbox. Your enjoyment of the game is directly proportional to your ability to build castles… Blink
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#36 - 2011-12-04 01:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Heres the point.

Its called the art department.

Art Department does dictate how a game looks from one aspec to another.

This boils down to

Vision Vs Feasability.

Vision for Eve is a bit out there but they have one.

Feasbility is constantatly in the way of that vision and always will be.

Did you know that eve once upon had this crazy idea where every module in the game would be displayed on the ship?
It was scrapped due to infeasability.

Survivors of that project turned into the tech 2 doodads we see on some ships that seperate them from thier tech 1 cousins which is why alot of the early tech 2s are very different looking from thier tech 1 variants. While newer ones barely bothered. So far only 1 execption was the recently remodeled phobos.

Did you know ships used to have launcher points on the model? They where also removed because they couldnt make them work before and this overall decreased lag.

Vision varies from game studio to its very own projects its the only reason why the art in Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Medal of Honor just are so totally different in visual feel despite alot of them use the same weapons equipment and systems the other one has.

What X series sets out for itself in its vision runs against feasability as well. For example X3 which was said to have better planetary graphics I often challenge the player to time dialate into the planet, to thier disapointment that planet is nothing more than a painted picture in the sky box.

To acheive feasbility many companies cheat they have to. If I started to point out every cheat these 5-10 year old games used to look good you'd may start to cry and begin to realize those where some pertty horrid graphics back then.

Final aspect to bring about for these sort of games is the simple fact it is a mmo vs single player. MMOs have to worry about the triad. Network, Graphics, and Performance. Eve has gotten to the point that Network is constantly in the way of better graphics/immersion though Performance hurdle was jumped over twice already with SM 1 from way back when about 15 years ago now and the Sm2 removal whic hitself is about 9 years old soon enough. SM3 being minimal requirement now was introduced in 2006 so its now about 6 years old now.

Sci fi MMOs in 2006 where:
Rising Force Online which nearly instantly crashed on launch state side.
Navy Field which is acutally more historical than science fictional.
AstoEmpires A 4x game.
ACE A anime jet fighter mmo.
And GalXSeed whcih looks like a puzzler.

Eve Circa 2006

Single Player sci fis in space launched in 2006
Star Trek Legacy
Project Sylpheed

and just to be fair the bar of simulation at the time.

Microsoft Flight Simulator X

This is at minimal specs is that eve is competing against.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#37 - 2011-12-04 01:28:25 UTC
thrasherht wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
thats a pre rendered trailer. please link to nexus the game and i would (partially) agree if you speak of physics and weapon effects.


Pre-rendered in 2005, meaning that computers now, and graphics engines now are more then capable of doing that live rendered. I am pretty sure my 580 can keep up with those graphics no problem.

thats wrong. firstly it has nothing to do with your GPU. secondly computers improve linearly. Physical problems scale almost always exponentially with the number of objects. Nexus may run smoothly with 50 ships on one PC. However Eve has fleetfights of hundreds of ships (+drones) and one eve server has to handle multiple systems.

and yes, most of the physics must be run by the server. client can only do graphical gimmicks like fake miss effects or missile trajectories (which are currently handled by the server).


however i fully agree, eve has a lot to learn from nexus, X, I War and even freespace. Not everything is transferable to a MMO, a few things are.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Nissan101
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-12-04 02:10:59 UTC
Eve is awesome. stop trolling
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#39 - 2011-12-04 02:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Bienator II wrote:
thats a pre rendered trailer. please link to nexus the game and i would (partially) agree if you speak of physics and weapon effects.


Those graphics could be rendered easily on a current gen video card.

www.shipsofeve.com
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#40 - 2011-12-04 02:30:44 UTC
Should be able to it all depends how the developers throw it together any competent developer these days should be able to for single system resources.

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