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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#21 - 2015-04-09 19:37:27 UTC
Coelomate wrote:
If they just flip a switch one day, and increase the prices for the SKINs but make them permanent (while rewarding all current holders of the BPCs or ships with permanent skin licenses), that would buying skinned ships and BPCs now HUGELY profitable. If they announce a change like that in advance, people will gobble up skins and crash the price before the change goes live..


But they did announce that.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-04-09 20:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruvin
edit :nvm

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-04-09 21:24:46 UTC
One of the things that changed with the last dev blog from previous speculation is that all skins are not necessarily going to be combined into one skin. For example the quafe frigate skin is not necessarily going to be changed into the same skin as the quafe destroyer. If this were the case both ships would currently be of equal value on the market.

Still lots of room for speculation here.
Coelomate
Gilliomate Corp
#24 - 2015-04-09 21:28:00 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Coelomate wrote:
If they just flip a switch one day, and increase the prices for the SKINs but make them permanent (while rewarding all current holders of the BPCs or ships with permanent skin licenses), that would buying skinned ships and BPCs now HUGELY profitable. If they announce a change like that in advance, people will gobble up skins and crash the price before the change goes live..


But they did announce that.


They haven't announced any details about the price in the future, and there are hint there might be time-limited SKINs as well as permanent SKINs.

Right now I can turn 1 PLEX into 3,500 AUR and I can buy a battleship skin for 350 AUR (or 10 for 3,000 AUR), which pegs the price of those skins directly to the price of PLEX. Frigates are significantly cheaper.

When the SKIN system goes live, we don't know what price currently existing SKINs will be as permanent licenses. I speculate they will be more expensive, at least for some ships - and if that's the case, anybody possessing a skin BPC/skinned ship prior to the change gets a license, that would be quite the investment opportunity.

But if the SKIN price stays the same as the BPC price, or if they announce the price change long before it goes live, not so much.

Love,

~Coelomate

Cista2
EVE Museum
#25 - 2015-04-10 07:35:15 UTC
Coelomate wrote:

But if the SKIN price stays the same as the BPC price, or if they announce the price change long before it goes live, not so much.

Whether they announce it early or late does not matter for the investment opportunity. The opportunity is there if you have reason to predict what the price finally will arrive at.

My channel: "Signatures" -

Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-04-10 08:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruvin
HeXxploiT wrote:
One of the things that changed with the last dev blog from previous speculation is that all skins are not necessarily going to be combined into one skin. For example the quafe frigate skin is not necessarily going to be changed into the same skin as the quafe destroyer. If this were the case both ships would currently be of equal value on the market.

Still lots of room for speculation here.


They didnt changed they always stated each quafe ship sking it will be its own license .


Quote:
Coelomate


No hints about time limited skins , all skins will be PERMANENT , that was confirmed . We know when skins go live the price will be bigger (obviously btw) and yes anyone having a license now has made a nice purchase , not extraordinary because almost EVERYONE understood this and there are way to many current selling bpc on player hands , so they wont be much in demand , but for personal use that was a nice purchase .




Many are focused on current shop skins , while the real deal is in unique limited ones .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Herman Menderchuck
AscendoTech Research and Development
#27 - 2015-04-11 15:09:21 UTC
Ruvin wrote:


No hints about time limited skins , all skins will be PERMANENT , that was confirmed . We know when skins go live the price will be bigger (obviously btw) and yes anyone having a license now has made a nice purchase , not extraordinary because almost EVERYONE understood this and there are way to many current selling bpc on player hands , so they wont be much in demand , but for personal use that was a nice purchase .

Many are focused on current shop skins , while the real deal is in unique limited ones .


Not all skins will be converted to permanent ones. Only skins purchased in the NES or NOT in a loot drop will be converted to permanent ones. Skins that are dropped as loot will be converted to limited time versions to make sure the explo sites they come from don't become worthless.
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#28 - 2015-04-11 18:29:30 UTC
Ruvin wrote:
[quote=HeXxploiT]One of the things that changed with the last dev blog from previous speculation is that all skins are not necessarily going to be combined into one skin. For example the quafe frigate skin is not necessarily going to be changed into the same skin as the quafe destroyer. If this were the case both ships would currently be of equal value on the market.

Still lots of room for speculation here.


They didnt changed they always stated each quafe ship sking it will be its own license .


Quote:
Coelomate



Well others may have followed this more closely than I but what I originally understood was that if one purchased a skin the idea was it would fit all ships of all sizes. Now I am hearing that this might be the case for some skins but not all. If there is no merit to what I'm saying please do tell.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-04-11 18:50:01 UTC
Herman Menderchuck wrote:
Ruvin wrote:


No hints about time limited skins , all skins will be PERMANENT , that was confirmed . We know when skins go live the price will be bigger (obviously btw) and yes anyone having a license now has made a nice purchase , not extraordinary because almost EVERYONE understood this and there are way to many current selling bpc on player hands , so they wont be much in demand , but for personal use that was a nice purchase .

Many are focused on current shop skins , while the real deal is in unique limited ones .


Not all skins will be converted to permanent ones. Only skins purchased in the NES or NOT in a loot drop will be converted to permanent ones. Skins that are dropped as loot will be converted to limited time versions to make sure the explo sites they come from don't become worthless.


There is the list of the permanent skins , i even posted it here in this thread .... And ccp confirmed that also . That ALL current ship skins will be permanent .

Apart 2 which ALSO will be permmanent but in a future release date due to some technical problems .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

Cista2
EVE Museum
#30 - 2015-04-21 18:26:14 UTC
All bought up today.

My channel: "Signatures" -

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#31 - 2015-04-21 19:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
It's good to be a banker. Cool

http://i.imgur.com/VZ0Gi3Z.png
http://i.imgur.com/vTixAiU.png

I paid 200k ISK per AUR on average, so that's around 8 mil for a Frigate SKIN, 20 mln for a Cruiser one, 60 mil ISK for a Battleship, and 100 mln for a Dreadnaught one.

WTS 10-run SKIN BPCs for all Cruisers, cept for the Thorax. Blink

P.S. Logged in tonight, wanting to dump the Abaddons, as I have far too many hulls right now, without realising the NEX Store BPCs had been pulled, and without reading the Dev blog. P
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#32 - 2015-04-21 20:30:46 UTC
@GankYou

uhm, you did read the Devblog today, right? Because (just in my opinion and if my math is actually right) you sold some of your ships way too cheap. Like the Abaddon Kador Edition for 270mil.
When patch hits, you would have a regular Abaddon (which you could sell for ~220 mil) and the new SKIN license, which is going to cost 3455 Aurum. And to get that amount of Aurum you would have to spend over 15€ or several hundred million ISK on the market. So my guess would be, that the ship you just sold for 270mil, would be worth 1bil after next week. Ugh
Cista2
EVE Museum
#33 - 2015-04-21 20:59:37 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
would be worth 1bil after next week. Ugh

Think again... people have stocked on them for months.
If your sentence went "1 bil next year" you would be correct.

My channel: "Signatures" -

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#34 - 2015-04-21 21:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Damjan Fox wrote:
@GankYou

uhm, you did read the Devblog today, right?


Just read it and pulled the rest of my orders down. P BPCs still intact.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-customization-time-to-show-some-skin/?_ga=1.157894714.1883539901.1421897621

Big smile
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#35 - 2015-04-21 21:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Damjan Fox
Quote:
Think again... people have stocked on them for months.
If your sentence went "1 bil next year" you would be correct.

Well, with "after next week" i rather meant "after the change".
But you are right, it could take some time for skin prices to climb up to the level, where they belong, considering the Aurum cost.
Nonetheless, i still think, these battleships were sold too cheap.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#36 - 2015-04-21 21:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Bought them all back. Lol

The frigs alone are 2390 AUR / 40 previously * 8 mil = 478m. Lol

Now, given the number of new SKINs being introduced, there is going to be a lot of competition between them - a few select ones from the previous batch are worth holding, tho.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#37 - 2015-04-21 21:39:03 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Damjan Fox wrote:

Nonetheless, i still think, these battleships were sold too cheap.


Obviously. P

The new Kador Abaddon would be 3455 / 300 * 60 mil = 691 mil for the SKIN, or updated for the current plex exchange rate: 3455 * (845 / 3500) = 834 mil. Blink
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2015-04-21 22:06:22 UTC
Can someone explain to me why this will be worth all that much after the initial " gotta have it" pop? I get there would have to be a floor as you need AUR but I don't get why skins are expected to go onwards and upwards. The skins last forever except for the timed ones which have not even been released yet.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#39 - 2015-04-21 22:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
It will all depend on the popularity of a particular SKIN in question.

As to get a better idea how the exchange rate operates, take a look at the Apparel sold from the NEX Store, i.e. cybernetic arms yield from 195k to 275k per AUR depending on the version. Smile

That 230k ISK average per 1 AUR is just about where the current ISK:plex:AUR exchange rate is.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-04-21 22:23:15 UTC
Alexi Stokov wrote:
Can someone explain to me why this will be worth all that much after the initial " gotta have it" pop? I get there would have to be a floor as you need AUR but I don't get why skins are expected to go onwards and upwards. The skins last forever except for the timed ones which have not even been released yet.


A few things.
The new price in Aur gives a guideline price in ISK via conversion. Aur have a real life dollar value, so do ISK. This makes working out the guideline price very easy.

The gotta have it pop is per character not per account. If you have a few pilots you like across your accounts, you may want a few.

Once consumed they can't be put back in the system.

Although it may be cheaper to buy one with real life cash, by going through the Aur process the in game ISK price will probably be a bit higher. For the simple reason it's simpler to buy it off the market for ISK even at a bit of a premium ( compared to the conversion rate ) rather than spend real life money and press a ton more buttons.

New players will always want the cool skins that the cool kids have. Who want to fly a boring ship when you can fly the elite skin ship?

The "stockpiles" of skins are nothing by comparison to the number of players. The stockpiles won't last a week.

50% of players probably won't even know about the new skins until they see them flying around and ask where they all came from. Never underestimate ignorance.

If you think none of this makes sense, and that logically players won't buy them. I remind you of all the proof of players playing illogically. ALODs, blingly ships exploding, players falling for obvious scams, PLEX transportation in ships, AFK piloting, mining without a permit.

My guess is that the final price of skins in ISK will settle at the conversion rate Aur -> PLEX -> Isk plus at least a 20% premium for convenience cost.