EVE General Discussion

I know ill get a thoudand replies saying "htfu" or some variant but im inclined to agree with you.

Sure be ruthless space bastards but try not to be a **** about it, know what i mean?

It's like IRL when you get stopped by the police for something, even a minor infraction. Some just write you a ticket, others gotta make you literally lick their badge and be a complete prick. The latter has people hating cops and not giving a rat's ass when some gangster or crackhead offs one of them.


The noobs want to play, try their hand at the game, or whatever. It's one thing to pop them it's another to be a sperging edgelord about it and while the latter group like to take pride in driving people from the game, the truth is they just managed to make someone else feel like they were logging in to babysit and hence given the free market in video games, found something else to play.

Don't you think that this so called cruelty is part of what made Eve though? Kerena and Herzog, I think you guys are blowing this stuff out of proportion. I think players should be as cruel as they wanna be. If that happens to drive some people away, then so be it.

The cruelty and the harshness is what attracted me to this game in the first place, other than the beautiful, breathtaking scenery and gameplay. It was the "no fucks given" attitude and the sheer, raw, grittiness of it that really made me fall in love with the game and made me want to truly buckle down and fight back. It made me want to conquer.

For some people the nasty attitude of Eve players might be repulsive, and I think those people can go play something else, something with more instant gratification where the game will hold your hand, but I like Eve because it's a place where the tough get going.

If you know me in game you know I talk a lot of smack, but I never treat newbies very harshly at all. Rather the people I treat most harsh are usually pirates and other people who seem to think they're good. Those are the people who I attack and try to topple.

I mean, don't even go comparing this to real life, please. This is nothing like getting stopped by the cops, I really gotta draw a line there. Please don't compare a video game to real life.

And besides that, I know for a fact there are many many many very nice, intelligent and friendly people in this game who are more than welcoming to newbies, because I am one of those people. If you know me in game you know I can talk smack like no other, but when it comes to newbies I always try and show them a bit of the beauty in this game. But I still think that if somebody WANTS to be an absolute smeghead towards newbies, then they should go right ahead and do it. If the newbie cries and leaves the game then it's whatever, either the game ain't for them, they're just too weak, or they will come back with a vengeance.

Do you really think people in this game are too cruel? Personally I think we aren't cruel enough. They should just get rid of censorship and all of the "language rules" and all that and let us say whatever the **** we want, would that really be so bad?

Eve is dead can I have your stuff?

As dumb as that type of behavior is, I do not see a problem with it. It's like anal sex. I find it completely repulsive and would never take part in it, but I see no reason why a person should not be allowed to engage in it if they choose to.

Edit: If you don't mind I'd like you to ignore the terrible anal sex example. It's just what pooped into my head.

Also, Kerena was kind of saying the same thing, like, "OK, be harsh, but don't be a ****", or what you said, "Being harsh is one thing, but being a **** is another". I don't even really understand what this means. You want people to only be allowed to reach a certain level of meanness? Why is there a need to discriminate against certain levels of meanness ? What is wrong with being a **** in a video game? Know what I'm saying?

When the game is down to 5-10K pilots online it will be fun again.

Well said.

Ok. Looking at the numbers shows, since February 2014 numbers online have steadily declined. The period of January to May last year saw an average 35k for the period, compared to 29k for the same period this year. Before you say, "that's due to extended skill cues", it could well be but is still 6k less players per day logging in and playing the game. Good for CCP, they make money out of AFK subs, so less load on servers etc. Not so good for those who login and find only 18k players online (6 to 8k less than this time last year) in their TZ. TQ can be a bloody big place when your looking for a fight.

As for absolute douche bags - To try out the new Opportunities, I created a brand new character (not impressed btw). 2 days in I was doing "Time to mine" in a rookie ship which was killed by a guy in a T1 frigate. When I messaged to ask him why he would sacrifice his ship to Concord just to kill a noob rookie ship he replied with. No fkn place in this game for your type, just leave now.
I think that is an example of extreme behaviour and had I been a new player with no isk to replace the 2 meta modules i brought to do another part of Opportunities (which have no isk rewards), I probably would have started looking for another game to play.

Just for clarification; The douche bags who want total control over others and everything just how they think it should be aren't restricted to killing the odd carebear. Any group who monopolizes an environment to the exclusion of others is just as bad if not worse than the guy who kills an unknown rookie and tells him to quit the game. If players are unable to play the game how they want without fear of being continually victimized they start to look for a game they can.

So; While there is nothing wrong with being a jerk, limiting the often extreme lengths taken to be a jerk is important.

So far, history in the hands of players shows good is a subjective thing and what is seen as good by some becomes game changing and bad for others. Good for the game and good for the individual or a particular group is not the same thing.

CCP is very lenient with bans over things said in chat. First someone has to report you for what they consider inappropriate behaviour, then CCP look at it and make a decision. Again, what is acceptable by some is seen as abuse by others.
Where do you draw the line? I draw it at my mum, she was a very broadminded person who gave as good as she got, if i couldn't use the words with her there it would probably be too obscene to use in a public chat channel where you have people from many different backgrounds, cultures and morality. (Maybe my line isn't quite right but I try to take the unknown morality of others into consideration when abusing them )

If people want to feel like the big, special hero that will save the world and that will see people and NPCs throw flowers at them whenever they go, and that will never ever fail,
If they want that they have plenty of games out there who offer that and that in a waaaaaayyy better way than EVE could ever.

EVE is about making you feel like **** but at the same time giving you that occasion once in a while to be a REAL big goddam hero.
And the prime mechanism of that is the insane amount of jerks this game has. They will **** you up, they will punish any mistake you make (like getting your mining barge out and letting a neutral see where you warp), and they will laugh at you while doing so.

This make it even sweeter when you manage to get back at them.

Pretty much, EVE has its things it does well and things it's not really good at. PvE will never be EVE's forte whatever the amount of high-sec dwellers who refuse to PvP, same with general non-toxicity, whatever the amount of people who would want to be able to trust everyone and be able to feel safe and loved everywhere, EVE will never be good at providing that, or at least never to a degree that could rival the many games out there who focus on that.

It's by playing to its strengths that EVE will be able to grow, not by badly imitating what others are better at.

EDIT: Although I do agree that there should be a way for people with more 'pacifist' sentiments to fight back. When I started the game I expected people to be able to kill with ISKs, yes you know how to gank me, but I can make you pay thanks to my profits in Industry... But yeah it definitely doesn't work like that, the Bounty system is useless, and wardeccing is... inconvenient?