EVE General Discussion

I have a lot of respect for you DaReaper but I honestly do not know how you can say that the PCU is going up.

When I look at the PCU I do not pick and choose certain time slots, I look at the overall picture and except the odd spike the trend is downwards and has been for some time now, in fact for over a year now.

I agree that only CCP can kill Eve, it is something which I have said for years, however other game can and do have an effect.

Even if it is a very small effect, however when put them together over a period of time that small effect becomes large, hence the drip effect.

To say that Eve players may leave to try other games but always come back is naive, its probably why we are in the situation we are today because CCP has taken that exact view.

why does it have to be a problem and not CCP doing what all companies do. examine how they do business and adjust it's practices to suit the current issues that they may face. perhaps it's more a case of let's push for keeping more players than we historically have.
you're pushing your personal feelings on how you'd want to manage your player base. you'd keep players around 3 years or so and do what you could to get rid of them after that.
they've become too rich and are just bitter now so best i do whatever i need to get them to feck off becuase new guys is where it's at
us tired old vets have invested years in the game, recruited more than their share of people into the game, have a feeling of history in this universe. trained hundreds if not thousands of players, supported many meet ups, started web sites, created amazing content for new guys. yup, us tired old bitter vets don't hold much potential at all do we. ffs i lol in your general direction.

People who say that are usually people who are addicted to the game or can't bring themselves to quit because of sunk cost fallacy.

I'm certainly not in the best position to say that, but it's ok for the game to lose you.

You can't go to an opera session and complain that the music is not exciting. Each game has its forte and from what I have seen so far I doubt PvE (and combat? Although I personally find the combat to be good/strategic) will ever be one of EVE's.

Personally I'm starting to see a pattern here, everything outside of fleet action seems like a prologue to it. Mining, Exploring, Missions, Hauling, I do them mostly in preparation to the coming fleet action, and only then do I feel like I'm playing, and more importantly this is when I feel like "Yes! This is why I joined this game!", this where I can feel my expectations being fully met. Don't know if that's a generalized feeling, would love to have the opinion of older players on that.

Anyway, from seeing the focus on the big fleet battles used to lure new players in gods know that's what got me, I blame EVE Fanfest), this is where they want to focus the game. I don't see PvE and some more intricate (duel/twitch friendly maybe?) combat system would help with that.

You are free to play and enjoy the game how you want, and I guess some people do share your playstyle, but I don't see you and the people with that playstyle being ever satisfied with what seems, to me at least, like a game focused on delivering the opposite of what you enjoy.

what's where i'm from got to do with this ? honestly



don't stomp your feet now,,, calm down. have you ever considered maybe you're wrong and there is no problem.



if what i'm saying is understated, then what you've said is overstated ?
i'm not getting where you're coming from at all.

I disagree. If all the do is stand in the middle off the sandbox, spin around while peeing and call that playing, I think the game is better off without them.

We might also be shedding some winter "fat" and have a better, "leaner" player base that might make for a better game and ultimately attract more players. (I am dreaming obviously, here)

It my pleasure.

I do hope CCP can turn things around. Personally I feel at the moment with the changes that have been made and those coming up they CCP are heading in the wrong direction and ultimately the situation will only get worse, however I truly hope I am proved wrong.

That's a perceptive comment about the general state of the game. It's why there are groundswells to make fleets more powerful and available and also to make more PVE that rewards group participation. (Mining already does, but the rewards are comparatively modest.) It is, after all, a multi-player game. The game shouldn't discourage going it alone, but it shouldn't discourage fleeting up, either.

It also reminded me to go back and re-read the OP. We're, well... the topic has wandered. But the concern seems to be that viciousness is being replaced by repetition via the proposed 4-hour vulnerability window and Entosis Links, unless you sacrifice your individuality to the ~blue donut~. First, I'm not sure how this is worse than what we have now. Second, I sense a "hurts the little guy" subtext, but I'm not sure how being forced to alarm-clock timers or endure "weaponized boredom" helps the little guy. The fact is that any group with the size, time zone coverage, and organization of, say, Goonswarm, is going to be able to maximally exploit any system that anyone can devise. What matters more than trying to prevent them from doing something--good luck with that--is making it possible for small alliances to rebound, or fade away, or just keep a low profile and look like they're not worth the time (this is why I like the fact that TCUs are optional and decoupled from IHUBs in the new model). The new structures should help with that. Time will tell.

As much as we would like EVE to be real, for the overwhelming majority of players it simply isn't, and it can't be. It's a game that we dedicate our leisure time to. Making it so that I have to wake up at 3am to defend space pixels is dumb. The proposed solution is game-y and perhaps a bit heavy-handed, but it means I can sleep[1].


[1] Assuming that I ever take any interest in sov; signs point to no.

It's not really 'okay' for a business to lose customers. I've seen people on various MMO forums saying things to the effect of "Man, if only people like [insert playerbase of choice here] would all quit, this game would be so much better". They forget the people providing them with the game have bills to pay and really would prefer it if those people didn't quit. I can't think of an MMO that would be improved by a lower player count.

However, I don't see my subscription as a weapon to punish CCP with if they don't alter the game in a way that pleases me, not that I'm actually demanding anything. If I say I'll quit if something better comes along, that's not me making a threat, it's just a statement of fact.

If I wasn't satisfied with EVE I wouldn't be playing it. I play how I want to, because the game lets me, and that's why I like it.