Warfare & Tactics

That would be the end of solo plexing and most of the solo pvp in fw. Millitia's would have small gangs in cheap frigs just roaming around a huge area systematically kicking out solo plexers and resetting all the clocks until the only way to win a plex would be in gangs. there's little enough solo pvp as it is, this would kill whats left of it and reduce faction warfare to pure blobbery.

EDIT: If he spends ten minutes of his time running the clock down, why shouldn't you spend ten minutes of your time running it back up?

Conflict has been reduced quite a bit already. Implement timer rollbacks on top of the high "dps check" rats and you'll make it so hard to win a system that nobody will try - which will lead to back to the old days of nobody living in FW low sec.

It is also nonsense if a pilot (ok eg: in a Worm) warps into the novice you were in and drives you out. Starts to reverse your work only to see you open another novice in the same system. It will take him 15 mins or so to capture the one you have worked on or 10 mins+ to capture the one you have opened. In the mean time you can capture either plex faster than he can capture to prevent you.

He can chase you back and forth until one of you decides it is pointless to carry on "rince and repeat" and one pilot quits or he stays and completes one to cancel the effect of your VP (almost no affect on your attempt to capture a plex).

I hope you can see the poor design in this kind of common place scenario?

He can try and be sneaky and set a trap or call a friend for the other plex. Even less chance of any proper interaction if the pilot is a farmer with warp core stabs only interested in the LP from a plex.

Rollbacks (I agree timer resets are not appropriate) should be implemented for this very reason. No it would not be fair for you to lose 10-15 mins work instantly. It would be fair for you to lose 2 mins for every 1 mins the pilot held the plex after he force you out - up to and only up to "uncontested" point. Then he would have to earn his plex at the rate you had to.

The main idea behind timer rollbacks is to discourage farming even more.

There is a subtle change to the circumstances that promotes combat and the intention for combat.

In most cases players will not "back n forth" but will decide to run a plex as counter to the other or one will leave (let's be practical). This means two novices cancel each other out.

However, this changes when the only plex's are of different sizes. Now the one with "control" (ie superior force) can stabilise the plex's in a system and then run the smaller. This says get out of my system to the weaker force or bring more.

Reward of the "evasion farmer" is removed when an active enemy is present in system.

Two solo pilots: one weaker can try to ship up or bait with a mate.
Fleets: the weaker force must try to engineer a situation to gain control. Sometimes that will just be savvy tactics and flying whilst holding position inside a plex or splitting off a force and sometimes it is up ship, reship or get friends.

This all promotes players to "bring it". To bring combat ships and intentions to fight. It attracts back the pilots who gave up on FW coz the farmers have more of an impact on occupancy than they do and they cannot do anything about it. It encourages pilots to undock in a combat capable ship. There will still be system changes if timer rollbacks are implemented. It could mean more systems roll over as deplexing cannot be so easily farmed (I believe GalMil like their depleting alts? - sorry).

Amarr dragged itself up from tier 1 after the dps check changes to tier 3 with coordinated concerted effort w/o farmers. It was not til tier 3 that the farmers jumped in and deplexing became a synch so that the combat forces could focus on key systems (a failure of the current status quo). Then major Minmatar players left, Kourmonen fell and CTRL Q were the last bastion to quit. Amarr got a medal.

Being able to prevent capture of complex's (by presence of force) promotes combat.

This along with a narrowing of the Tier 1 - Tier 5 LP bonus's/penalties come high on my recommendations for FW (Less militia jumping).

If the presence of force promotes combat and running a plex timer requires some kind of force to be present then why do we need a timer roll back?

make it so when you upgrade a system to a certain level it makes scram/disruptors infinate warp scram strength in range of the beacon. Upgrade your system and farmers go bye bye. /thread

It wouldn't hurt us lot that are fighting because if you point me I don't have stabs anyways. And it would let people donate again without it being pulled straight out by farmers. I don't mind one bit if X gallentius or yuri or crosi or any of the Bebop guys or other combat corps go and pull it out of my IHUBs if they are there I know they want to fight. It's the farmers that pull it out with no chance of fighting that make it very costly for a losing side to hold tier 2 and then more and more newbros will join the other side.

With this change you could allow farmers to still have systems to go to where they could stab themselves around but to take a plex in a system anyone cares about you have to hold your ground. Let's stop talking about timer decay it's a terrible idea.

FW is in a good place at the moment.

No timer rollbacks needed.



I'm still not a fan of warp stabbed ships being able to activate plex gates but instead of fixing that CCP decided cloaks were a bigger issue. (And then made recons not appear on DScan !?!?!?- CCP really do some odd stuff)

Making stabbed ships not be able to run timers is too exploitable. (But would lead to some hilarious local smack)

Why?