Ships & Modules

How in the devils hell are you going faster than a frigate, with enough agility to maintain your full velocity at all times while trying to keep up with our orbit? You aren't going to apply those webs under any circumstances at all. If we were orbiting you at 70km, sure, i can see your 1.5km/s vindi maintaing 99% of it's entire velocity, at 30km? No. The most you'll be turning with is like 600m/s. You'd be orbit locked for the entire encounter.

Where are you getting 22km webs is what i'm wondering? If you're suggesting that it takes a 3billion isk module ontop of a 1billion isk highly specialized faction battleship, mixed in with any other stupidly improbable pvp set-ups you're EFTing @ me right now. Just to have a chance to kill a group of bread and butter frigates, shouldn't that be testimony to the current state of battleship vs smaller hull warfare?

You're suggesting upwards to 5billion isk to kill a group of harpies. "tactical moves" entirely limited by your agility unfortunately, because the minute you burn a straight line in one direction, and the 13 seconds it's going to take you to get to your full velocity, we've already had ample amounts of time for the game to actually auto-correct our orbit automatically.

So the narrative becomes even more comical when not only do you need a 1b faction battleship, but gang links with max skills on a secondary ship, while overheating your web - just to have a sliver of hope to kill some long ranged frigates. Yet you still don't see how grossly imbalanced frigates are vs battleships? You've pretty much added every thing to your advantage in this fight, and all they'd have to do is manually tackle you in their 2m frigates. You seem to forget that they can overheat as well, and they don't have to risk popping a 400m isk web in the process.

You aren't going to win against frigates, ever, at all.

Cool story bro. The only one who made the whole thing comic is you.

The case was very clear - dual web vindi and drones vs 30m frig orbiting under vindi's guns.
But suddenly you start talkig about your friends who bring catalysts then there is Harpy gang etc etc.

Glad to hear that we finally agree on the case your 30m frig won't own my +2b (dual web) Vindi.

Cheers

Oh there are ways for a normal mega to happyslap 30 mil frigates.

But if you want an easier time of things just grab a RLML rattlesnake or even a RHML raven.

Actually, a Vindi does fairly well against AF's if it has link support, And what Nightmare is talking about, unless your manually orbiting the Vindicator it's actually fairly easy to make the auto-orbit in pop with in Fed Navy's Web Range so dual 90% webs with drones a harpy isn't going to last very long. So unless your harpy gang is using faction points with links, it's quite possible that the Vindi will wreak it.

As Baltec said Vindi isn't optimal for taking on Frig gangs. But it does do the job reasonably well. Nightmare has experience with that the Vindicator as it was one of his old corps major doctrine ship. So I'm sure he's a good idea what he's talking about.

That graph is nice, but not very informative. It doesn't detail about what kind of damage is being applied and what its being applied to. *shrugs*


Most Battleships don't really need a true re balance. They do need tweaking imo, but not a complete work over.

The only one I would say needs to real resemblance is the Scorpion, as it doesn't really do a ECM role to well due to it's size, the Blackbird, Rook and Falcon far outclass it in jam strength (atleast the Rook/Falcon) and it's ability to survive. The Burst ECM role isn't that great of a bonus.

Yeah that only really happens with mission BS'es for the most part. Battleships have a lot of options for tackling smaller ships, Like Heavy Neuts, Light and Medium drones, the ability to have dual webs, and an active tank that could easily hold a frig off indefinitely.

Scorp is great for those times when you need jams with a tank. They also make great bricks for throwing at people.