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Why I should quit EVE.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#21 - 2011-12-03 18:10:39 UTC
As for smoking... hmmm...

Had been a serious smoker only for about 12 years (started late), but I gave up "smoking" about 2 months ago.
Haven't given up on nicotine though, and don't really plan to. Switched to inhaling nicotine-filled vapors.

I have had a month-long break from all nicotine-related things before (while recovering from surgery, coughing would have hurt like hell), but the lack of nicotine made my appetite skyrocket (to the point of quite literally being unable to think straight if I was not noshing on something almost continuously), and since I'm not exactly in good shape (fat-wise) to begin with, that was a deal breaker. Nicotine had to come back, one way or another. Restarted smoking cigarettes, but the aftertaste and smell was hard to get reused to, and coughing became a fairly regular occurrence again.

I did not wake up coughing in any of the mornings since I switched to vaporized propylene glycol with nicotine traces in it.

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Alara IonStorm
#22 - 2011-12-03 18:15:06 UTC
Everyone is trying to quit smoking. I went a week and a half. The only Nicotine Inhalers in Canada are Nicoret, E-Cigarettes are illegal too.

The Cough gets worse everyday.

Sad
Kasha Belle
On your Left you will See Mars
#23 - 2011-12-03 18:27:57 UTC
Er... how do you find obtain those stats onhow long you've been online??
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#24 - 2011-12-03 18:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Alara IonStorm wrote:
in Canada [...] E-Cigarettes are illegal

Say WHAT ? Since when ? Are you sure you're not getting some things mixed up ?

The only thing even remotely similar I found was an ADVISORY warning from the spring of 2009 warning consumers about e-cigarettes not having been tested properly for use, and no products being yet approved for sale back then.

USE of e-cigarettes was never illegal as far as I know. You can use them as much as you like.
SALES of unauthorized products, yes, those might be illegal, but that's the seller's problem.
There are plenty of sites you can find via Google that sell e-cigarettes that deliver to Canada too.

Digging around a bit more... relevant bits collected and slightly cleaned up...
Quote:
Basically sale and importation are "restricted" and technically these restrictions are in fact legally incorrect and not enforceable because Health Canada's own guidelines make a specific exemption for inhalers that provide under .4mg of nicotine per inhalation. If such restrictions are challenged in court the restriction would likely fall. Most retailers only get a letter "recommending" they cease sale of juice containing nicotine. Currently I am aware of one class action suit in it's early stages to challenge Health Canada.

There is no law against owning or using batteries, vaporizering atomizers or any parts associated with. There is no law against owning or using plastic parts associated with cartridges and cartomizers, USB chargers or other battery charging devices.
There is also no law, nor restriction against owning or using food flavoring, PG, VG, or nicotine in low doses (such as that found in eliquids, cigarettes, patches, nicorettes and nicotine inhalers). prescriptions or other permissions are required for higher doses of nicotine.

Schedule F drugs, in general, are controlled in terms of who can distribute them and how - but they are not illegal.
Nicotine is exempted as a schedule F drug when in strengths below 4mg per dosage unit (Food and Drug Regulations) (such as that found in cigarettes, patches, nicorettes, inhalers and eliquid).
There are other Schedule F drugs that have exemptions - such as Ibuprofin (Advil). Non exempt Schedule F's require a prescription - exempt Schedule F's don't. That's the general difference.

Customs can choose to stop any delivery at their own discretion, and have done so occasionally.
A risk is taken each time a shipment goes through customs, but not within the country. A Canadian distributor means they take the risk of losing the money and not you.
I'd suggest ordering from a Canadian distributor.


Basically, just get one from wherever you can. It's NOT illegal. For you. As a consumer. Let the seller worry about his status.

Kasha Belle wrote:
Er... how do you find obtain those stats onhow long you've been online??

Easiest way, Chribba's eveboard
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Akita_T
and copy from there.

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Alara IonStorm
#25 - 2011-12-03 18:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Akita T wrote:

Say WHAT ? Since when ? Are you sure you're not getting some things mixed up ?

The only thing even remotely similar I found was an ADVISORY warning from the spring of 2009 warning consumers about e-cigarettes not having been tested properly for use, and no products being yet approved for sale back then.

USE of e-cigarettes was never illegal as far as I know. You can use them as much as you like.
SALES of unauthorized products, yes, those might be illegal, but that's the seller's problem.
There are plenty of sites you can find via Google that sell e-cigarettes that deliver to Canada too.

Digging around a bit more...
Quote:
Basically sale and importation are "restricted" and technically these restrictions are in fact legally incorrect and not enforceable because Health Canada's own guidelines make a specific exemption for inhalers that provide under .4mg of nicotine per inhalation. If such restrictions are challenged in court the restriction would likely fall. Most retailers only get a letter "recommending" they cease sale of juice containing nicotine. Currently I am aware of one class action suit in it's early stages to challenge Health Canada.

Use is in no way prohibited and no legal restrictions exist for its public use. I just follow the rule of asking first at a bar and if they say no then so be it. In public space however I just educate people and in many cases I end up giving referrals to my fav. retailer.


Basically, just get one from wherever you can. It's NOT illegal. For you. As a consumer. Let the seller worry about his status.

Nicotine Cartrages are illegal.
Wikipedia wrote:
In Canada, as of March 2009, the import, sale, and advertising of electronic cigarettes containing nicotine are banned in Canada, while non-nicotine e-cigs are legal and may be sold and advertised. Health Canada advised Canadian consumers not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products, cited prohibition of electronic smoking products containing nicotine in the Food and Drugs Act; no market authorization has been granted for any electronic smoking product.

You can get around it but...
E-Cigerette Review wrote:
Health Canada still allows the import of flavored zero nicotine cartridges, which is what you’re striving towards if you’re looking to quit smoking in the first place. Since electronic cigarette brands that ship to Canada aren’t always up to date with Canadian laws, most will still send you the nicotine cartridges anyway. However they risk not getting through customs.

I don't have the money to play shoots and ladders with customs.

I have yet to find a store that sells Nicotine Cartridges where I live.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#26 - 2011-12-03 18:53:12 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
If these pills (champix) work I'll not be smoking by christmas after 22 years



If it works, we'll know because the newspaper will tell us a story of someone who went on Champix and then went totally psychotic and went on a rampage LolLolLol


Champix is nasty ****

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#27 - 2011-12-03 18:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Order everything else except the liquid first, so they have no reason to stop it when it enters the country.
E-liquid is quite cheap, so even if 4 of 5 shippings get seized on average, you're still getting away with it cheaper than just buying regular cigarettes.

I also hear that some local Canadian shops sell everything you need locally.
They're far more expensive locally (due to the local distributors having their shipments seized occasionally), but, eh, what can you do.

EDIT:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I have yet to find a store that sells Nicotine Cartridges where I live.

So, where DO you live ? Maybe the e-cig forums can tell you where you can find some reasonably nearby shops.

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ight8
BLACK SQUADRON.
Get Off My Lawn
#28 - 2011-12-03 19:02:26 UTC
I knew this topic was win when it became about smuggling drugs across the Canadian boarder.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVaQ3v0svE
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#29 - 2011-12-03 19:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
http://www.evapers.com/tryout/index.php?route=product/category&path=38
These guys here claim to be Canadian...

EDIT:
LOL, they can't accept CC//PayPal payments, only other more convoluted payment methods. And the e-juice is at least twice as expensive as anywhere else outside Canada.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#30 - 2011-12-03 19:07:06 UTC
Can i have your stuff ? Blink

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-12-03 19:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Trainwreck McGee
I know many people like you.....you will be addicted to something until you die......get professional help or your screwed.

Edit - If you are in school you have free counselling so use it

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Alara IonStorm
#32 - 2011-12-03 19:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
ight8 wrote:
I knew this topic was win when it became about smuggling drugs across the Canadian boarder.

Yes but this time they are going the other way.

Lol

/TY Akita I will look into this.
Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#33 - 2011-12-03 19:56:47 UTC
How do i find this amount logged in thing? Should be pretty silly.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-12-03 20:08:46 UTC
Oh I don't play eve... for 1.5 years, but I keep my subs active, for 2 of my accounts. Guess why?

Because I like to read someone bitching on the forums. (Years, oh years TT)

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Klask Atriund
Kindred Rising
#35 - 2011-12-03 20:10:56 UTC
This thread is a giant bummer
DbjaBol
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-12-03 20:11:09 UTC
the signs are always important. if you notice and understand them always then you reach your goal very quickly. good luck!
Klask Atriund
Kindred Rising
#37 - 2011-12-03 20:11:22 UTC
Klask Atriund wrote:
This thread is a giant bummer
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#38 - 2011-12-03 20:11:51 UTC
Yeah Mines not showing up either.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Ai Shun
#39 - 2011-12-03 21:02:04 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Online Time: 399D 8H 11M

--%<-----

came here escaping the time demands of WOW in 2004, and it's just as bad!

--%<-----


If you feel it is the right decision for you, good. And good luck.

But keep in mind, video-gaming is just a leisure activity. There are people that read books, that go to bars, that play golf, that engage in any number of leisure activities. The one you enjoy happens to have other people from across the world in it and challenges you.

If somebody spends 1/7th of their time on their leisure activity if it was not a video game, would you feel they are doing something wrong?

Guess all I'm saying is, because it is fun and leisure and a video game, don't see the time spent in it as anything less than the time you'd spend on other leisure activities.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#40 - 2011-12-03 21:04:12 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Everyone is trying to quit smoking. I went a week and a half. The only Nicotine Inhalers in Canada are Nicoret, E-Cigarettes are illegal too.

The Cough gets worse everyday.

Sad


I quit smoking. It's easy after you have a heart attack and spend 2 months in intensive care. They don't let you smoke there. Haven't had a cigarette in 10 years, and I don't miss them.