EVE General Discussion

It has to be said that that manual was made by the Original Goons. Original Goons were so much funnier than the New Goons. The New Goons are not the Original Goons. Even if they happen to have some members in common with the Original Goons.

man, you really aren't eager to put the least bit of thought into this, why on earth did you even make a thread

You need to understand what is an exploit.


Exploit: Doing something that makes the game do something that isnt supposed to.

NOT an exploit: Inteligently using game mechanics.



CCP knows full well the grid works like this, he designed it, coded it intentionally to work like this.

Goons arent doint anything that CCP doesnt know about their own game. Like, exploiting a bug in the code.

Where have you been for the past few years? Talk about old Eve news and this topic will come up.

Also, how is it an exploit? (Bearing in mind CCP have said it isn't.) But then facts don't seem to fit well into your narrative, do they?

I didn't ask you what another game does. I asked you how you would have EVE partition its grids.
Please tell me how you'd adapt this supposedly superior partitioning scheme to EVE. I'd be glad to tell you how I'd break it.

SO! Some very good answers. Some rather nasty, uncalled for flaming, too. But, hey. This is GD after all.

The word "exploit" of course is the key word, or trip word. How it's come to be used, and what it actually is - between the two - is where you find your swamp. The whole purpose of playing a game to win is to exploit the parameters of the game toward that end. The one who does it best wins. Any winners in EVE? Well. We like to say "no," but we know it's "yes and no." It depends on the specific scenario. Nobody that splashes an opponent 1 v 1 PvP is going to say they lost, eh?

Had the question been, "How could this Grid Fu be fair?" we'd get an interesting set of responses as well, I'm sure. The greater question there would be, "Who said EVE is fair?" Then, we'd be open to all kinds of philosophical questions, not the least of which would be, "How could you take pride in winning an unfair competition (that is, unless you're the one against whom the table is tilted?")

Grid Fu is a digital example of tilting the table, however. I was gratified to see how many people readily admitted that. For me personally you have to view me as a chess and basketball player. I'm steeped in the "all things being equal" as far as the court (or board), the number of folks on the teams, the equal height of the goals, what do you bring to the game to advance the score? That's what you take pride in - that ability. I was equally gratified to see the posts championing that time-honored concept of skill and knowledge being the deciding factor, rather than the ability to tilt the floor, or raise your opponent's goal without being "caught."

Welp. Kentucky plays in an hour. Go Wildcats! Good luck to your team if you have a dog in this hunt -
until it faces mine, that is.

Thanks for the well-considered and sincere responses. Thanks for the flames, too. After all. It is GD!

TYVM. Have a nice day!

(Oh, and please. Continue the back and forth if you have more to say.)

well you see a lot of the leaders are the same, a lot of the guys are the same, they all come from the same place on the internet but its totally not the same guys guys.

All I got was blah blah blah and more blah.

You should be happy, then. It's right up your alley.

CCP may have said Grid Fu in general isn't an exploit.
That doesn't mean specific uses of Grid Fu aren't an exploit. CCP will reimburse for some cases of Grid Fu meaning that they are likely to regard a specific person deliberately creating that particular type of Grid Fu time and time again as an exploit.

There is room for both to be true.
So.... Don't abuse it, don't be a **** about it.