Market Discussions

How does this work in practice?
To supply side drive the price down you make a load and flood the market?
If you have the capacity to make enough to drive the price down why do you need to do this in the first place? Just make more to satisfy your own consumption needs.

Ironically if you manage to drive the price down, logically producers switch to something more profitable e.g. gel matrix biopaste, thus reducing supply.
Even if you have the clout to do what you want, and I don't doubt that, then all you do is makes the peaks and troughs of the product larger. Large peaks and troughs attract market traders because the wild swings are great for profiteering.

Anyway good luck with your plans. I shall watch and try to learn :)
Looking forwards to watching your presentation when it goes up.

This. And as always I feel like everything you say here, sabriz, is exactly the opposite of what you actually intend, and for whatever reason very obvious.

The ridiculous thing here is that if you are over producing to crash the robotic market then you would benefit more from an upward manipulation. Increasing profits by selling your upward manipulated robotics for isk, and using that isk to purchase the finished product (whatever it is) before the market adjusts the end product's price to the new high on robotics, saving yourself some isk.

What I expect is the end goal here is to have panic sellers quickly dump an oversupply, for a proxy crash, you swoop up the lowered robotics, choke supply around dodixie and hek, manipulate the price upward, and benefit from forum pvp. I'd even go as far as saying that you're aiming for the next several months of wild margins with exaggerated troughs and peaks attracting more traders into an unstable and highly profitable market, so that by the time your stockpiles run dry the market has indeed crashed itself back to or just below the previous norm.

I suspect also that robotics are not the intended manipulation here, but a more easily price affected asset that will help compound the intended manipulation. T2 gank modules? Pos fuel?

Whenever you post I find my tinfoil hat autoequips itself....

Also I have a gut feeling that much more destruction is ahead for stuff in Eve.
We've had a large blue doughnut for a while. It's about time that stuff started exploding way more frequently.
A lot of recent CCP changes seem to be designed to break this happy stagnation.
CCP will keep making these changes until they get their way and more stuff explodes.
Exploding things fuel the economy and drive prices up.
I believe large organisations in Eve may also share this long term view.

CCP has spent a lot of time rebalancing. As the rebalancing completes ( still a lot to go ) CCP is going to be spending more time changing the game with content worth fighting over. That was their stated aim before the rebalancing. To paraphrase, "Let us rebalance, get everything neat and tidy, then we can concentrate on real content."
Even things like the proposed sov changes can be considered rebalancing. Visit all existing game mechanics and see if they need to be improved. CCP Seagull's vision for Eve is strong and infectious, for the most part everyone is excited at what's to come, even if they dislike individual plans. Eve's pulse is strong, new players are discovering Eve at a great time in record numbers. CCP are working hard and delivering excitement and buzz. Change is afoot. Things are going to explode :)

Market prices for a lot of things are very low right now with big changes to Eve on the dim and distant horizon. I see prices across the board going up up and up over time. Maybe slowly at first, but over the next two years stuff is going to start getting expensive.

To tie this rambling post back to the OP thread. Any large organisation in Eve that also believes the same as me will have to start planning and laying groundwork now. I expect behind the scenes there is a number of very small discrete Eve player teams already working on this. Planning for the next few years, building stockpiles, amassing war materials.

Define "medium term"

Well, this is starting to show results, albeit a little slower than I'd hoped and the additional supply hasn't really flowed through to Jita prices yet.

Increased production appears to be occurring in a very decentralized fashion and some medium size sell orders are appearing in regions that have a good number of new players in them, as I anticipated. Had hoped for prices to fall of the order 10-15% not of the order 3-5%, but there's still time for that.

Is it throwback wednesday?

This thread related to market actions I took around the end of March.

I'm somewhat tempted to do this again sometime as the effect wasn't long lasting.

I don't think CODE can do anything to manipulate the price of Robotics in a meaningful way, besides causing a temporary little blip in the market.

The barrier to entry is too low, anyone can do PI anywhere. It's not like Dysprosium in the old days, where you have a few 0.0 alliances controlling all of the supply.

In order to manipulate any market in any meaningful way, you have to be in control of supply - not just available sell orders, but the actual spawning of the item into the game (another example is the Ice interdiction).

If you're not in control of the supply, then you're just manipulating the market at your own expense, and for other people's benefit.

Someone telling everyone 'oh we will drive down robotics prizes'
-> some ppl believe and sell robotics piles to misterious robotics hoarder and some ppl stop producing robotics due to small prize drop
-> supply gets behind demand
-> robotics prizes increase
-> mysterious hoarder sells robotics and makes quite a good isk/Forum post
->Market Manipulation successfull

God you're a dumb noob if you think this.