Intergalactic Summit

I'd like to make a declaration of refocusing - this topic is not at all about the Battle of Caldari Prime or who has the right to speak about what; we do not bear any more right to speak than someone else out of sheer belonging or descent. We are all entitled to a right to speak our minds and it is unfair to not allow the other to speak their case, even if it may be hyperbolic or even anecdotal...

Set aside the differences, if but a moment, so that we may consider the problem that is being brought to the table. I fear that stubbornness is getting in the way of reason and rationale once more over what is, in this light, superficial. This is not to devalue the lives lost on Caldari Prime (I was one of the combatants, trying to save friends on the ground) or any lives lost in this ongoing conflict that never seems to end... This is simply to draw attention to the fact that it is re-circulating back into the traditional differences of philosophy and opinion that ultimately never accomplish anything.

Let me be clear, nothing is ever going to be gained from the dialogue I am witnessing today. Perhaps my words will shed some enlightenment and perspective to change the flow of words, that we may accomplish something useful.

Oh I don't know.

The next time someone asks me why the people of Intaki might want to be independent of the Federation, I can point them to this discussion.

It serves as a concise example of what happens every time Intaki's place in New Eden is discussed.

Some within the Federation and State cannot help themselves but to fall back on the age-old habit of using Intaki as a tool to fight their opponents.

Voices of reason quickly become lost in the storm, and as the two sides argue with each other, Intaki itself becomes forgotten.

Independence would deny both sides their would-be weapon of choice. The CEWPA front lines would shift, allowing those intent on pursuing conflict to redeploy, and Intaki and her colonies might just have an opportunity to tred a path more peaceful.

So, in other words: discussion of Intaki is just like every other subject on the IGS?

This phase of the conversation has NOTHING to do with Intaki and everything to do with revisionist idiots who like to blame the mistakes of their government on the victims of it.

But, yes, the sorts of people you describe DO exist. Don't allow them to make your homeworld a point of contention in this centuries old struggle. Opt for independence and be free of it forever - who knows, perhaps I'll buy some real estate and join you.

Hi guys, what's going on in thi-- oh. Nevermind

Stay awhile, and listen. You'll regre-.... errrrr won't regret it.

It's like I left only yesterday. This conversation mirrors ones I saw two years ago, or six, for that matter, down to the comma.

Monsieur Tuulinen,


For a man who clearly states that he deals only with facts, particularly in reference to the late Admiral Noir and the Malkalen Disaster, you seem quick to insinuate opinion when it defends your argument.

I don't know whether or not the Shiigeru would have fired upon Caldari Prime. What I do know is that it was ordered to, by Tibus Heth. I also know that the Admiral who refused the order paid with her life, something reserved for treason or military gross neglect in most societies.

Those are the facts and nothing more.

Now, can we please return to the discussion at hand or cease discussion altogether? This is not about Caldari, this is not about Gallente - it is about the Intaki and they deserve more than us bickering back and forth over the same tired arguments.

As I said a while ago, the origin of this topic was specifically targeted to incite conflict through its blatant hostility towards the Federation. It seems mostly to have served that purpose among most of the Caldari participants. Our Intaki neighbors, wisely, seem to have been mostly content to observe.

My original intent in participating was to clarify GMVA's current diplomatic relationship vis a vis the ILF, and our official political position regarding ongoing Intaki issues. I remain willing to discuss both issues further, although perhaps it would be better to do so in private, rather than in the theater of the IGS.

Thank you for that. All I tried to say was that the Villore Accord was not allowed to attempt to represent the Caldari State. Now, let us redirect this disccusion to the Intaki.