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Intaki Liberation

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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#81 - 2015-03-26 21:48:21 UTC
Yeah, about that. Federal Union forces aren't about to leave the area, but please dream on.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#82 - 2015-03-26 21:51:26 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Yeah, about that. Federal Union forces aren't about to leave the area, but please dream on.


Never said they were.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#83 - 2015-03-26 21:59:39 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Jukko Riis wrote:


Gallente occupation of Caldari Prime is more than enough reason for "further conflict between the Federation and the State."

...

And Heth or no Heth, the State would have had an eventual confrontation with the Federation over our home world, because it's our homeworld! Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that any Caldari is happy with the current situation.



Spare me the "my suffering home world" lament. I grew up on Caldari Prime. You don't speak for that planet any more than you do Intaki, boy.



I however do speak for Caldari Prime. Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and it is ours. This is the very proof required that the Federation's lies of freedom is just that, lies. Also, as I feel I have to constantly repeat my allegiance to the Empire is simply to acquire their technology, as is the purpose of most of the State's alliance with the Empire.


No. You don't. Caldari Prime isn't "yours." It belongs to the people who live there. You don't live there. Nor do I after all these years, but at least once upon a time I did. Your right to any sort of heritage from that Planet ends where the much abused peace and tranquility of those who live there now begins.

By all means visit. Light a candle, listen to the wind, remember your ancestors. Then get the frak out if you can't keep the peace.

Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#84 - 2015-03-26 22:49:35 UTC
Us not keeping the peace? Says the Villore Accord. Your people are the one's who burned our homeworld. And it is 'mine', and that of the whole Caldari State! Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and you burned it. How dare a member of the Villore Accord attempt to represent Caldari Prime!

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.

Aedre Lafisques
Nadire Security Consultants
#85 - 2015-03-26 23:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Aedre Lafisques
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Us not keeping the peace? Says the Villore Accord. Your people are the one's who burned our homeworld. And it is 'mine', and that of the whole Caldari State! Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and you burned it. How dare a member of the Villore Accord attempt to represent Caldari Prime!



This seems like you're gunning for a fight. Mlle. Vero and others that hail from the Caldari Prime of today are exactly who we should be listening to when it comes to deciding what to 'do' with these planets. They have family there, and have lost family there. I'm afraid you may be trying to illicit an emotional response in this thread, one that would be quite justified at this point.

Likewise, we should be handling Intaki with Intaki, not dealing blows over their head. If we don't focus on the matter at hand, we disrespect the conversation.
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
#86 - 2015-03-26 23:22:07 UTC
Let us please not begin frothing at the mouths and spouting the same rhetoric o'er and o'er again until the inevitable end of the cluster.

Both of our people have vilified themselves and one another throughout our collective history. Both have made missteps and mistakes, both have taken steps forward and steps back and both have walked toward one another and rapidly run away from one another.

Continually pointing to each other's mistakes in the past will get us absolutely nowhere but trapped on the proverbial circle of history repeating itself into eternity.

I've been through these debates and arguments myself and I can assure you that no matter how much you attempt to dig and how far you dredge into our collective history, there will be literally no agreement on who struck first nor any acceptance of any justification proffered by either side.

The truth is simple; we made strides together, saw differences, responded poorly to those differences and have since been bitterly divided.

Neither of us innocent and neither of us fully at fault. Let us not keep clinging to the past and instead look toward the future.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#87 - 2015-03-27 00:11:35 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Also, as I feel I have to constantly repeat my allegiance to the Empire is simply to acquire their technology, as is the purpose of most of the State's alliance with the Empire.

Bad news, the only technology you're going to acquire could be bought in Jita, along with the skill books to use it. The Amarr ain't going to part with their shiny toys on account of you shooting a couple people for them.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#88 - 2015-03-27 00:12:58 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Let us please not begin frothing at the mouths and spouting the same rhetoric o'er and o'er again until the inevitable end of the cluster.

Both of our people have vilified themselves and one another throughout our collective history. Both have made missteps and mistakes, both have taken steps forward and steps back and both have walked toward one another and rapidly run away from one another.

Continually pointing to each other's mistakes in the past will get us absolutely nowhere but trapped on the proverbial circle of history repeating itself into eternity.

I've been through these debates and arguments myself and I can assure you that no matter how much you attempt to dig and how far you dredge into our collective history, there will be literally no agreement on who struck first nor any acceptance of any justification proffered by either side.

The truth is simple; we made strides together, saw differences, responded poorly to those differences and have since been bitterly divided.

Neither of us innocent and neither of us fully at fault. Let us not keep clinging to the past and instead look toward the future.

Obligatory: They started it.....Roll

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#89 - 2015-03-27 01:14:40 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Us not keeping the peace? Says the Villore Accord. Your people are the one's who burned our homeworld. And it is 'mine', and that of the whole Caldari State! Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and you burned it. How dare a member of the Villore Accord attempt to represent Caldari Prime!


What the hell are you even talking about?

GMVA's fleet wasn't even in the system when CONCORD shut down the gates on the day of the Battle of Caldari Prime. We stood down and watched the live feed like everyone else.

It wasn't until hours later that anyone was even able to enter the system. That's when I flew an Iteron full of relief supplies into low orbit to be delivered by shuttle to the surface, right beside Caldari pilots still flagged from the battle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#90 - 2015-03-27 02:10:49 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Us not keeping the peace? Says the Villore Accord. Your people are the one's who burned our homeworld. And it is 'mine', and that of the whole Caldari State! Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and you burned it. How dare a member of the Villore Accord attempt to represent Caldari Prime!


What the hell are you even talking about?

GMVA's fleet wasn't even in the system when CONCORD shut down the gates on the day of the Battle of Caldari Prime. We stood down and watched the live feed like everyone else.

It wasn't until hours later that anyone was even able to enter the system. That's when I flew an Iteron full of relief supplies into low orbit to be delivered by shuttle to the surface, right beside Caldari pilots still flagged from the battle.

I was there. I didn't watch the live feed. I was one of the pilots you mention - running Gallente refugees to the wider system and Caldari refugees back to the State.

But the man is right - the Federation burned our homeworld twice and settled occupiers on it. I really don't give a Damon about what they think are their rights - save where it is important for settling on a negotiated settlement.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#91 - 2015-03-27 03:19:16 UTC
Look, we own the first bombardment of Caldari Prime as we must. Twice though? Heth set Caldari Prime aflame with his invasion. It wasn't just Gallente "occupiers" who died to sate his blood lust. How ironic to hear the Federation accused of being willing to "burn to a cinder" what they can't have, when Heth explicitly ordered Oblivion fired on Caldari Prime.

Responsibility for the outcome of Operation Highlander rests in the sole ownership of Caldari hubris. How many times did I plead on this very Summit for you people to negotiate the withdrawal of the Shiiguru before the worst could happen? Time and time again Caldari "Patriots" brazenly rejected any such settlement, and vowed terrible retribution against any Federal action. In your arrogance, you assured yourselves that your position was unassailable.

For that mistake, millions of civilians on both sides suffered. Admiral Yanala sacrificed her life to prevent even worse. One would think that Caldari capsuleers could at least sacrifice their pride.
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#92 - 2015-03-27 03:31:34 UTC
At any rate, it has become even more obvious that this topic was instigated solely to perpetuate conflict.

I've no doubt that the near future will hold both challenges and opportunities for the Intaki People. I feel that there is potential for different political and commercial actors to have a positive influence within the region, regardless of their Empire affiliation. That said, GMVA and other Gallente Militia forces will respond with force to any party who threatens the security of the Federation.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#93 - 2015-03-27 03:54:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Us not keeping the peace? Says the Villore Accord. Your people are the one's who burned our homeworld. And it is 'mine', and that of the whole Caldari State! Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and you burned it. How dare a member of the Villore Accord attempt to represent Caldari Prime!


What the hell are you even talking about?

GMVA's fleet wasn't even in the system when CONCORD shut down the gates on the day of the Battle of Caldari Prime. We stood down and watched the live feed like everyone else.

It wasn't until hours later that anyone was even able to enter the system. That's when I flew an Iteron full of relief supplies into low orbit to be delivered by shuttle to the surface, right beside Caldari pilots still flagged from the battle.

I was there. I didn't watch the live feed. I was one of the pilots you mention - running Gallente refugees to the wider system and Caldari refugees back to the State.

But the man is right - the Federation burned our homeworld twice and settled occupiers on it. I really don't give a Damon about what they think are their rights - save where it is important for settling on a negotiated settlement.


In advance I want to thank both Pilots Tuulinen and Vero for their self-less actions in rendering aid to the people of Caldari Prime, during that dark day. Perhaps dispite the obvious racial differences one can conclude that humanitarianism and a deep seated will to do good to our fellow man is not lost upon those of us who have elected this immortal life as capsuleers.

With that said...

I think perhaps a history lesson is due to Pilots Toralen and Tuulinen. I will not cover the details which have been covered elsewhere. Here is an excellent place to start: The Battle of Caldari Prime.

You will learn that it was the Caldari State under the leadership of Tibus Heth and the Provists who first endangered and then caused the burning of Luminaire VII - Caldari Prime through their actions of aggression against the Federation.

For 4 years and 8 months the Titan Class Leviathan - The Shiigeru was in orbit over Caldari Prime. An ominous reminder of the illegal breach of Federation Space by Caldari Naval Forces, holding their own homeworld, as well as that of now several generations of Gallenteans, hostage.

In the lead up to the battle, Provist leadership relayed an executive message from Tibus Heth to the Admiral of The Shiigeru to bring the Titan into low orbit over the planet, thus further endangering those on the ground. The intention to use the Titans super weapons to punish those whose views conflicted with that of State Leadership, in particular that of Tibus Heth and his Provist supporters.

This foolish and dangerous maneuvering of a Titan Class warship already illegally located within Federation Space would contribute to it's demise and the razing of the City of Arcurio when the Federation launched a justified assault on the Shiigeru.

The Shiigeru would never have burned upon the surface of Caldari Prime, had it not been for the illegal breach of Federation Space.

The planet would not have the scars of disaster, a chilling reminder of the dark days of Heth's rule over The Caldari.

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Tristan Valentina
Moira.
Villore Accords
#94 - 2015-03-27 04:11:53 UTC
We burned Caldari Prime? Pretty sure a falling Caldari Navy Carrier did that. Could be wrong but pretty sure. That is why you don't fly capitals in a planets gravity well.

And didn't it get blown up for picking a fight with concord? Again might be wrong as all of that is second hand info.

Tristan
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Awesome Alliance
#95 - 2015-03-27 04:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Us not keeping the peace? Says the Villore Accord. Your people are the one's who burned our homeworld. And it is 'mine', and that of the whole Caldari State! Caldari Prime is our homeworld, and you burned it. How dare a member of the Villore Accord attempt to represent Caldari Prime!



Villore Accords?? Burning things???

They couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.



The only things that burns when Villore Accords are around apart from their ships are the Caldari Modules which are set to overheat.
Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#96 - 2015-03-27 04:43:45 UTC
Caldari State Badposting. Shots fired.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#97 - 2015-03-27 04:55:31 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:



The only things that burn when Villore Accords are around are the Caldari Modules which are set to overheat.

If the modules are the only thing burning, then even set to overheat you still can't manage enough damage to make VA burn?

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
#98 - 2015-03-27 04:57:26 UTC
Don't worry, those flames are just our structure tanks.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#99 - 2015-03-27 05:04:10 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Don't worry, those flames are just our structure tanks.

Structure tank = best tank.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#100 - 2015-03-27 05:16:07 UTC
Tristan Valentina wrote:
We burned Caldari Prime? Pretty sure a falling Caldari Navy Carrier did that. Could be wrong but pretty sure. That is why you don't fly capitals in a planets gravity well.

And didn't it get blown up for picking a fight with concord? Again might be wrong as all of that is second hand info.

Tristan

Yes. You are wrong.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.