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ICE Mining ruined by spawn changes, multiboxers and farmers?

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Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-03-26 12:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutus Utama
Noragli wrote:
Op is making huge exaggerations to try to convince people to see his way, claiming all systems have a guy with 15-20 mining alts. You would struggle to find ice belts with 20 mining alts. Yes, some ice belts have a guy with around 10 alts, but most ice belts do not even have this.

Op has been offered advice but chooses to ignore such posts. This, plus the huge exaggerations, I wonder if he has a hidden agenda?


i disagree here as a former ice miner every single belt we tried to mine had players with 10-15 alts plus other random players each belt had more than 20-25 players in it was rare for a belt to last more than an hour and thats if you found a good system to mine in...

Yes their is some systems which are quieter but they are few and far between....
Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2015-03-26 12:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutus Utama
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
ISO Quorra wrote:
Each one of those is one guy each controlling all those....they have no issue openly admitting it.

Does it look like he's a bot (simultaneous actions with ship movement, targeting, cycling lasers)? If so, use the in game option to report him as a bot. Like the law, CCP moves slow - but they do move. One ban of all his accounts would likely change the behavior.

As far as your assertion that it's this way in all ice belts -- it's just not true.


The 70 man mining fleet with positioned defenders was a very impressive thing to see (Genesis/Agal). Does anyone know if he's still operating after the bot action in January?


he is still there....in january he dropped to maybe 10 miners with minimal escort but i heard it is rising into the higher end of his numbers again....i have not had chance to look i live on the edge of nowhere now... there is a nice video on youtube of this fleet being dissolved by smartbombs....
Nors Phlebas Sabelhpsron
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#63 - 2015-03-26 12:16:07 UTC
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One guy even has ganking alts, he logs on with his 10 ganking alts....ganks any orcas or miners, then logs on all his mackinaws and farms all the ice, switches back to ganking all other miners in area and back to farming all the ice, does it every day...I must admit that is pretty genius but still. Unless you hire some kind of ganking / merc alliance/corp there is no counter to this kind of thing.


You gave the answer to the 'problem' in your OP. Hire some merc to wardec / gank the miners. If you don't want to fight for resources in EvE, why should you get them?
Noragli
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-03-26 12:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
Several have posted disagreeing with the op that all ice belts in high sec are as packed as he makes out. As some have said, it's quite common for some ice fields to last for more than 3 hours because often enough there is not more than 10 people in a belt. Yes some areas are worse than this but it's your fault is you choose to mine there, move to an area with less competition.

Or you could kill the competition, or bump it, you claim others already do this. You could just move to a quieter system, but I guess it's too much effort to scout one out. You have the same tools available as everyone else, yet you choose to whine on the forum instead.

Everyone, the OP has an agenda behind posting this, I know who he is. I also know who that group of miners are that he is whining about and I know that he is all upset because he has been accusing them of using isboxer, he was hoping to get them banned because he wanted a specific ice system all to himself. He failed to achieve his goal and gave up trying, shortly after this thread appeared.

I think that your only real goal here is to get mining changed, as a way to take vengeance on that group of miners whom you are all butthurt about.
Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2015-03-26 12:29:02 UTC
mining does need changed, an changed in such a way that anyone who afk's does not profit
Serene Repose
#66 - 2015-03-26 12:50:17 UTC
Yes. It was true - Ice Mining could make you billions effortlessly.
Now, it is not true. Find another cash cow. Le mooooo.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#67 - 2015-03-26 12:55:44 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Why don't you just flip their can?


You mean kill the Orca, right?
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#68 - 2015-03-26 12:56:32 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Report them all as bots. Let CCP sort them out.


As if reporting bots actually does anything anymore.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#69 - 2015-03-26 12:58:28 UTC
Niobe Song wrote:
So these people with the 20 account mining fleets....is that all they do ever? Are these accounts at least supplementing their income so they can do something more interesting and fun on their main or is ice mining all they do?

And if it is all they do I have to ask WHY? Why would someone want to do that and nothing else all day?


Bots don't have many feelings.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#70 - 2015-03-26 13:02:32 UTC
OP CCP nerfed HiSec ice in order to force more people into Null. Don't blame the multi-boxer guys, blame CCP for warping the resource allocations.

Once the new Sov gets deployed expect your ice mining services to be in high demand in Null.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#71 - 2015-03-26 14:04:15 UTC
Leave high sec? In certain areas of null you could literally mine ice 23/7 if you wanted to.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-03-26 14:55:10 UTC
This thread should be closed as a duplicate of the following thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571

In other words, you have won, you don't have to rub our noses in it.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2015-03-26 16:02:15 UTC
Shadowness wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Leave high sec.



Die in low/null.


That's ridiculous and you know it.

I know it sounds like I am just being like grrrr, leave high sec so I can shooty you because there are no targets anywhere, grrrrr but seriously, the problem fixes itself when you go to null. I dunno about low sec. I don't go there much for things other than lighting cynos on stations but remarkably few of these die.

It's not hard to get in with an established corp somewhere in 0.0 and do your ice mining there. They might even help you, give you people to do it with and protection and what not and all the fancy stuff and then you can mine so much ice that you will stop caring about a dead ship now and again.
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#74 - 2015-03-26 16:09:39 UTC
The solution is simple , CCP could make it so people have to scan the ice belts with scan probes Big smile
Or easy solution increase amount of ice x 10 or whatever.
But its a sensitive balance between providing ice and crashing the ice market...
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#75 - 2015-03-26 16:40:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
OP, could you tell us what game mechanic change you would like to see? I do not want the result you want to see, but, in detail, the actual change in the game mechanics.

We know you want a change the prevents multiboxed mining fleets scooping up all the mineable stuff. But what is, in fact, that change?

Kiandoshia wrote:
Shadowness wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Leave high sec.


Die in low/null.


That's ridiculous and you know it.

I know it sounds like I am just being like grrrr, leave high sec so I can shooty you because there are no targets anywhere, grrrrr but seriously, the problem fixes itself when you go to null. I dunno about low sec. I don't go there much for things other than lighting cynos on stations but remarkably few of these die.

It's not hard to get in with an established corp somewhere in 0.0 and do your ice mining there. They might even help you, give you people to do it with and protection and what not and all the fancy stuff and then you can mine so much ice that you will stop caring about a dead ship now and again.

I've only tried mining in low, with an established corp, once. The effort lasted 5 minutes. I've had better luck in W.

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Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#76 - 2015-03-26 16:54:50 UTC
OP, more accounts means more money for CCP

PERIOD

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#77 - 2015-03-26 16:59:24 UTC
Xayder wrote:
OP, more accounts means more money for CCP

PERIOD

Now the only question is: Which results in more accounts: Having a few players who multibox, resulting in hordes of solo-minded players leaving, or nefing multi-boxing and keeping all those solo-minded players?

(Note: by multi-box, I am assuming each is controlled manually. No bots or broadcasting.)

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#78 - 2015-03-26 17:23:54 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
That's ridiculous and you know it.

I know it sounds like I am just being like grrrr, leave high sec so I can shooty you because there are no targets anywhere, grrrrr but seriously, the problem fixes itself when you go to null. I dunno about low sec. I don't go there much for things other than lighting cynos on stations but remarkably few of these die.

It's not hard to get in with an established corp somewhere in 0.0 and do your ice mining there. They might even help you, give you people to do it with and protection and what not and all the fancy stuff and then you can mine so much ice that you will stop caring about a dead ship now and again.


Exactly...I don't mine, but I often go ratting for ISK. Everyone knows to call me if rats show up in the belt and I will pop over to take care of them. Also null intel channels mean anyone not under a POS shield/reshipped to PvP when a baddie/unknown shows up has no one to blame but themselves.
ISO Quorra
GAME GRID
#79 - 2015-03-26 18:25:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISO Quorra
Noragli wrote:
Several have posted disagreeing with the op that all ice belts in high sec are as packed as he makes out. As some have said, it's quite common for some ice fields to last for more than 3 hours because often enough there is not more than 10 people in a belt. Yes some areas are worse than this but it's your fault is you choose to mine there, move to an area with less competition.

Or you could kill the competition, or bump it, you claim others already do this. You could just move to a quieter system, but I guess it's too much effort to scout one out. You have the same tools available as everyone else, yet you choose to whine on the forum instead.

Everyone, the OP has an agenda behind posting this, I know who he is. I also know who that group of miners are that he is whining about and I know that he is all upset because he has been accusing them of using isboxer, he was hoping to get them banned because he wanted a specific ice system all to himself. He failed to achieve his goal and gave up trying, shortly after this thread appeared.

I think that your only real goal here is to get mining changed, as a way to take vengeance on that group of miners whom you are all butthurt about.


+1 for effort, made me laugh. You found out my secret plan....I am doomed.

Brutus Utama wrote:
Noragli wrote:
Op is making huge exaggerations to try to convince people to see his way, claiming all systems have a guy with 15-20 mining alts. You would struggle to find ice belts with 20 mining alts. Yes, some ice belts have a guy with around 10 alts, but most ice belts do not even have this.

Op has been offered advice but chooses to ignore such posts. This, plus the huge exaggerations, I wonder if he has a hidden agenda?


i disagree here as a former ice miner every single belt we tried to mine had players with 10-15 alts plus other random players each belt had more than 20-25 players in it was rare for a belt to last more than an hour and thats if you found a good system to mine in...

Yes their is some systems which are quieter but they are few and far between....


Pretty much this, even if you move away from the farmers 20+ jumps, you just find more of the same. Found another 3 fleets of solo multi account farmers in everyshore after downtime today. Same in Caldari space, gallente...minmatar...amarr...a few systems are quieter than others but its mostly the same in each ice system, even the systems with 3 belt spawns.., gone in less than an hour...lucky if you get 3 holds worth from one belt before it's gone.

Basically unless you plan on wiping ice belts with 20 account fleet don't even bother training any ice mining skills, complete waste of time. Not worth the effort, too many botters, farmers and ISboxers.
Alexstrazaas
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-03-26 18:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexstrazaas
Honestly they should make a Mini-game out of mining.

like controlling power lvls and settings, maybe aiming lazer.
Something that makes you feel like your mining, could even add a special view for it like planet management

could make it so that afk mining has a 66%(or more) less rate of mining to encourage active mining, of course they need to make it more interesting the same time.


but everyone agrees that mining needs work form the "afk alts/ bot fest" it is now that i know of at least.