EVE General Discussion

Another observation i've made since starting EVE back in august of 2014 is this game is extremely grindy, requiring extensive training and requiring alot of play time to succeed in anything. MMO's have shifted towards a more casual play. The thing i have hated about the old style MMO's of the late 1990's and earlier millenial years, and a big factor on how long i played any game at a given time is how much of a grind it became and the lack of end game content.

I've played MMO's since the 1990's and i can tell you gaming has evolved and come a long way, but i have begun to find that this game is too much of a grind for me too play much at any given time, especially since i'm the dad of a 2 year old boy now. It's just hard for me to get involved in and really enjoy, being a lover of many things sci-fi. It has been a pleasure to switch over from swords and sorcery however.

I know this is an old game, but i would love to see this game shift over to more casual play style. I know the hearts, and bodies of gamers all over the world would be greatful to not have to sit here and get blood clots in their legs, and get closer to heart disease trying to make it in the EVE world!

Heh, renter complains about grind. Get back down the mine, I need my SRP.

From a casual player ... you definitely need to invest some time during the first months of playing to learn the ropes, but then it's perfectly compatible with low commitment, play for fun only gaming. Being effective about your ISK spending is an important key factor to reduce the not-so-much-fun aspects of the game, aka PvE for ISK. Mostly flying cheap ships (T1/T2 frigs, T1 Cruisers) let your wallet last long. You can also skip PvE completely by injecting ISK from PLEX.

You will love EvE because there is no end game content.

i play eve because it sets the men from the boys, spend some money on plexes and go get shot in lowsec or null, beats grinding

Yup I've played since 90's too and mmos or multiplayer games are too grindy these days. Eve started this about 2.5 years ago. I find ccp has found ways to tighten causual fun for players. I get it they need $$$ but unless you make eve a 9 to 5 job you out of luck. Buy a plex an sell it to make isk seem to be the easy casual way to make alot of isk.

But Eve isn't that bad at all. Lets use Star trek online, they give a new meaning to grinding... I call it almost slave labour.. Well then you have destiny to hehe I hear that one is a Gem for grinding too.

In the end its up to you what you want todo with your time. If a game is to grindy move on. Play something else. I've found a few ways to make isk in eve well nothing fancy.. but good enough for me for a few hours work. :)


It sucks Artax Deschaine but thats modern online games.

Good huntings

Wolf

The real problem with this though is that it's exactly backwards.

EVE is less grindy now that at any point in it's past.

-Learning skills (the skills we used to have to learn...to learn skills) are long gone.

-Boosters that boost new player learing speed exist

-Losing SP from podding ( a cause of much time lost to re-training) is gone.

-Very many barriers (like the old "+5 standings to enroll in faction warfare) are gone, standings aren't even tied to where you can put a POS anymore,

-and OMG it's possible to make outrageous wealth with nothing more than FRIGATES and other cheap ships (exhibit A, exhibit B, exhibit C)

If you wanted too see "grindy", go back to when i started in 2007 when 40 mil per hour from null sec belt ratting was "omg that's a lot of isk", where I spent my 1st motnhs training learning skills and where it took me MONTHS to earn enough for my 1st Navy Raven when a new player today can make enough for one in faction warfare in one night after spending a couple weeks training for a Caracal, Drake or Stealth bomber.

People who complain EVE is grindy are the unimaginative and uninformed sorts that, well, end up renting null sec space to make isk when there are much much better and faster ways that don't involve paying a single cent in rent.



On a side note: Pay Attention CCP, no matter how much you try to "open up the game to the masses" by making it "more enjoyable" (ie, less grindy), there will always be someone new to come in and say, "man, this is grindy" lol. You could make a button that gives people 10 billion isk and 100 million skill points and someone will come along and say "having to press a button is too much, other games just give me stuff"...

Setting my skill queue before I go to bed. Dat grind.

I lefft the other MMOs because I was tired of doing quests over and over again to level up.
Since I started playing Eve I may have done a few missions, but that's it. Never felt like grinding to me.

I have found abandonned POS for loot, wrecks to ninja-salavage, wormholes to tap for their relic sites, the occasional null sec miner that does not pay enough attention to local, lost some ships to gate camps and learned to avoid the busy systems using Dotlan and scanning WH routes. From time to time I do kill rats in asteroids, or engage in fights I think I can win.

I roam free amongst the stars of New Eden, with three accounts, and set my own goals without paying taxes to anybody.