Crime & Punishment

I assume many afk 23/7 cyno alts would be involved.

Tip of the iceburg really. I've found restricting movement to be a much more powerful tool in the long run.

Absolutely not. There is not one single point in your post that would even come close to being accurate. I'll invest ten minutes and explain.

Where should I begin? Firstly, you use the numbers and data gathering in the most pervasive way possible. Most of the times -if not always- your methodology is overtly simplistic and is unable to account for all the variables. This throws you towards wild and inaccurate conclusions about EVE in general.

Here is an an example for this point: You have wasted your time and resources for quite some time. I see that you are taking pride on this. You think that throwing a miniscule amount of ISK in the scale of alliance finances towards random people makes you the enabler of CFC's demise, based on so called proper data and numbers you provide. However, CFC just ended up being the only remaining major sovereignty holder under the dominion system. Adversaries of CFC gave up their possessions and control over null systems and started evacuating their staging areas and outposts in sovereign null systems. None of CFC's adversaries under the dominion system were amongst your stated 'targets' under your project. But somehow, "CFC ended up winning EVE" as I often saw it stated throughout this week in various mediums on EVE such as reddit.

That alone is the reason why most of our sworn enemies do not (and cannot) take you seriously. You are under the weird assumption that landing a satisfactory level grade from a sophomore statistics class equips you to explain and analyze everything in the world, including the virtual universe of EVE. The entity you have chosen to target, the very same entity that you claim to be losing a lot due to your... ~influence~ and actions declared victory.

Moreover, you have a strange personality. You have an extremely high opinion of yourself, and combined with my first point, this makes people conclude that your opinion of yourself is very much inflated. While it is obvious that you generally strive for success in MMOs, most observers are in the opinion that you often have to shift and modify your goals, or blatantly bury your initial stated goals and claim victory on a set of easier goals you come up with at the later stages of your undertakings. You generally try to invent numbers and cook up data to point out some faintly perceived outcome you can sell as a success. You are also highly inclined towards claiming the consequences that come with actions and resources of the others as yours. This is similar to claiming that buying

A good example for this lies in your own words I have quoted above. You seriously and unironically think that the average CFC line member is dirt poor. Your words portray the average CFC line member to be whining about being hungry and poor. Where are those people? Where do they live? Why don't they complain if they are really dirt poor, and why is CFC's numbers are being bolstered? While sovereign null bottom income obviously needs a buff for being extremely pale in comparison with other types of space, the CFC line members whining about being hungry only exist in your imagination, Gevlon. Which leads me to think that you want to believe it, because you need to believe it to feel successful. I have seen you going on about long diatribes about how the average EVE player (not just the CFC line member) is dirt poor, and how you are successful in contrast. Average CFC line member is not poor as dirt. Average CFC line member does not quit the game due to ~mighty pirates~ roaming through and dropping in the systems he lives in occasionally. As a matter of fact, CFC's strength in it's membership base have increased since you started your project.

I think that you want to believe such myths (or perhaps erroneous conclusions) to feel good about yourself and to rationalize and justify the amount of time you invest in EVE. As such, this starts and endless cycle of cooked up stats and data used out of the context it belongs to, you throwing some change towards random people of groups for being able to claim what they do as your own doing and then claiming victory based on another data set that is the product of your initially cooked up stats.

My point is that you remind people of the man who takes a look at the (and misreads) NYSE index, buys a few shares in Coca Cola Company, and claims later that the annual increase of Coca Cola Company's revenue and profitability is a result of his actions.

This is going on the assumption that all CFC "Line members" Only have one account, which most definitely will not, As you should well take into account that Most people in EVE Dabble in trading and other such high profitability endevours, Just because they rat does not mean they can't afford to buy what they want, I mean I rat and run missions, Not purely to earn ISK (However I never moan at More ISK), But because its something to do if I'm bored and fancy a change from hunting people/Roaming low sec.

You sir are assuming that CFC Members are poor, With no Proof at all, And saying that burning their ratting ships will cause the CFC to lose their member retention, Something which has been proven to be very very wrong, I see literally no notable (If any at all) Decline in CFC's numbers.

I have calculated this in an earlier thread, but I'll do so again.
I am one of your 'dirt poor' CFC grunts.
I am lucky if I get about 5 to 7 hours of actual playtime a week and try to fill those with stratop fleets.
I do not trade, nor do I do any of the main income generators in nullsec.
Furthermore, I have no alt accounts and cannot run AFK at my work
My main income comes from doing PI and selling at at below Jita prices to my corp/alliance and the occasional ratting which I tend to get bored by after 2/3 anoms.
My average income that way monthly is about 700M. Utter peanuts compared to many EVE players.
The first year about half this income went to buying skills and stratop ships.
Now, I just need to buy a new ratting ship if I lose one being careless (which happens from time to time)
At this rate I (being the poor CFC grunt that I am), could lose 7 to 8 ratting ships EACH MONTH before I would start taking a loss.
And every month I do not lose a ship 7-8 ships to lose get added to that total.

So no, losing a ratting ship to MOA or -EH- or any other pirate does not make me wish to quit. It just makes me sigh for being silly enough not pay attention to local/intel and buy a new ship the next time I want to rat again.
And that's with income most players consider pocket change.

What WOULD hit my income would be losing sov, as that would affect PI income which is my main revenue. Which is that MOA, -EH- and all the others do not threaten at the moment.

But go ahead, keep funding them, it amuses you, them and me.

If the CFC has about 20% of the wealth in the game, imagine what you could do if everyone donates everything they have and you gain control of the other 80%...

Such power, such economics, such genius.

If you would be less spreadsheets online and show yourself to be a bit less of an asshat i'm sure that would happen more.For example stating you laugh at ratters and their measily income per hour whilst you ask the missioners and miners of high-sec to contribute kinda shows you absolutely have no clue how to 'mold people'.Something wich you tend to do quite frequently.


I'm sure mittens could teach you a lot there.

You might try believing objective reality which demonstrates that your quixotic anti-CFC crusade is having nary an impact other than to supply them with pervasive amusement. Honestly, they couldn't have paid someone to be as incompetent of an opponent as you are. Were I the conspiracy theory type, which I'm not, I would suggest that you are a CFC plant intended to vilify and slander their true opposition. And for the record, I detest these fools at least as much, and almost surely more, than you do.

#GetAGripOnRealityInAHurry

Not to mention less than the CFC lost in B-R, a battle they unambiguously won.

The crusade does lead to some hilarious forum threads, however.

He will go "meh", maybe link the loss mail in alliance chat, where everybody has a good laugh ("and this is why you don't go afk ratting, newbees"), and continue go afk ratting. Because who cares. People lose titans because of mistakes and still continue playing eve.

I lost my ratting ship to a solo guy from Darkness because I was afk for few minutes. And I'm still here.