Crime & Punishment

Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice.

But then it's internet spaceships so even if your point is made or not , it's as relevant as to talk about what kind of turd you left at the toilet that morning.

Speaking of wich , i need to go to the toilet ...

Yes you are :



That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon.

Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that ....

You said we

Yes, "we". "We" as in those of us that were talking. You responded to a discussion between myself and Akballah Kassan about how he believe my opinion means nothing as my character has little activity on zkb and how I disagree and don't even remotely care about killboard stats. What "we" were talking about is that ever unattainable definition of winning at EVE.

To give them credit, if we are going the route of "efficiency" again, then SMA is the best opponent we're fighting, as our "efficiency" against them is only 70%.... GSF, FC and the likes are all worse.

Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :)

I'm sure that MoA would try to kill me even if there were no donations at all. Also, I've yet to come in contact with them besides that one time some of them were crying in local about CFC blobbing.

That would make him one of the cute lil bees that already play wow lmao

My guess to the question is he could rarely log in and be a d.j. lol.

In the meantime, the dude is atleast providing content to the line members (unless you count the 4 dudes in the wormhole).

GL and watch out for the pesticide trucks.

Enough with the petty games.... declare civil war already

~ Your loving Sy Kaotic

The 1 day old character YuhuAlosMOA OverlodeaPri (obviously as a representative of its corp Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo) donated 8B.

Many on the donation board are from MoA. They help their mates who hate PvE and spend all their time killing CFC.
Would you donate the proceeds of a few days of ratting for the SRP fund of your own alliance? Or would you just line up for SRP? This is why MoA and similar "NPC trash" will win: their members are volunteers, donating their time and sometimes their ISK, while the CFC members are quasi-renters: they are in for the ratting rights and the risk-free killmails (they don't risk their ships, as it's SRP-ed).

The problem ultimately is that this scheme is touted as a method to "Beat Goons", the problem is the stuff MOA does is pretty much inconsequential to the greater ID of your average Goonswarm/CFC pilot. It's not beating us, and the closest it comes to generating actual tears is those of us interested in the sociological aspects of eve making hurfy effortposts on the evo forums.

It basically boils down to the same problem that most of our space enemies run into when they face us, they are playing a spaceship simulator where each fight matters and goals are decided to the explosions of spaceships, and all other considerations either be damned or are completely inconsequential. Nothing could be further from the case. You can't really can't chalk up a win in eve online by blowing up a spaceship, because we exist in a realm of nearly infinite resource that spaceship can often be replaced, oftentimes within moments of it blowing up. You want to chalk up a win? You have to beat the player. Not his ship.

This takes a completely different mindset than that offered by most of what we call "Elite PVP" operations. I'll include MOA on that list, just for giggles. They are all about killboard efficiency and removing a ship from a grid, which puts a minor stress on an individual pilot, but that's all. It's short lived. It barely even has an effect on regional stats. What is more deadly to morale, the occasional dead ratting ship? Or the feeling that your fate is entirely out of your hands, and that your own space is inherently unsafe? General malaise wins every time when combating a player organization.

Wake me up when you've managed to cut the daily rats killed tally in deklein by 50%. That would have a far greater effect on linemember Morale than the occasional dead Ishtar. I know how to do this, and I could do it with about 12 motivated guys and some alts. The fact that no one else is clever enough to figure it out honestly worries me sometime.