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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#41 - 2015-04-04 16:06:31 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Phoenix Jones wrote:
The only issue I have with this is that is removes all new and longterm players who havent focused on obtaining 20 billion worth of isk from going after this promotion.

Basically evebank, Iwantisk, eveninggamesclub turns into the primary candidates for buying one, if not all of the VR headsets to raffle off as they see fit. There's options for abuse now that these websites take in tens to hundreds of billions a day.

Not to knock the concept, but it cannot be based solely on who has the most isk wins.

An ingame events where the person who participates has a chance to win would be a better option. You can give away 20 of those headsets, run 20 ingame events, and have a good chunk of the server following the changes and taking a chance at winning. If you want to a plex sale, I would also consider ingame events in order to include the community, and not just a person who manages a website to siphon off isk from gambling, or who obtains tons of isk through renters.

I agree with your point of view. CCP should ration the item stock to make sure a single player or group doesn't get all the headsets offered and leave nothing for the others. But I also think both kinds of promotions could happen. The PLEX for VR HMD one would certainly sink some of the isk and PLEXes owned by those weatlhy people, they would need to buy more off the market to sub their accounts and would provide more isk to the people who buy them from CCP, fueling the PLEX sales and subscription count in return.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#42 - 2015-04-04 18:03:09 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
The only issue I have with this is that is removes all new and longterm players who havent focused on obtaining 20 billion worth of isk from going after this promotion.

Basically evebank, Iwantisk, eveninggamesclub turns into the primary candidates for buying one, if not all of the VR headsets to raffle off as they see fit. There's options for abuse now that these websites take in tens to hundreds of billions a day.

Not to knock the concept, but it cannot be based solely on who has the most isk wins.

An ingame events where the person who participates has a chance to win would be a better option. You can give away 20 of those headsets, run 20 ingame events, and have a good chunk of the server following the changes and taking a chance at winning. If you want to a plex sale, I would also consider ingame events in order to include the community, and not just a person who manages a website to siphon off isk from gambling, or who obtains tons of isk through renters.

I agree with your point of view. CCP should ration the item stock to make sure a single player or group doesn't get all the headsets offered and leave nothing for the others. But I also think both kinds of promotions could happen. The PLEX for VR HMD one would certainly sink some of the isk and PLEXes owned by those weatlhy people, they would need to buy more off the market to sub their accounts and would provide more isk to the people who buy them from CCP, fueling the PLEX sales and subscription count in return.


Not objecting with the concept. It would be a good promotion to do.

Yaay!!!!
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#43 - 2015-04-04 18:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Not objecting with the concept. It would be a good promotion to do.
The one you're proposing is also interesting and like you said gives people that did not dedicate their game time exclusively to amassing isk the opportunity to win a headset too. Elite Dangerous has successfully been doing this type of event (Elite £10k race and now the 5 Nvidia GTX Titan Black canisters).
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#44 - 2015-04-04 22:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Imagine that like Solecist suggested CCP would partner with a manufacturer and get 5000 headsets at 50% off wholesale/partnership price (around $150 a unit). This would make a total expense of $750.000 to buy them. Now if they were to be offered at 40 PLEX each, a total of 200.000 PLEXes would need to be handed over, which at $15 a unit make a total of $3.000.000.

"But CCP already has that income! Those PLEXes were already paid for, they don't need to subtract $750.000 off of it! " - you say.

-That's true, but the question here is "Will it be worth doing so?" and the answer is "Yes", because those $750.000 and more will be cashed in when the people who sinked all those PLEXes go get more off the market, the sellers buy more from CCP and the people that heard about the promotion subscribe their accounts and spend money on the New Eden Store.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#45 - 2015-04-11 13:19:58 UTC
Hope you guys haven't lost the appetite for the PLEX for VR HMD offer! I certainly haven't!
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#46 - 2015-04-11 13:56:50 UTC
Good morning.

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Prince Kobol
#47 - 2015-04-11 15:19:29 UTC
Sorry I stopped as soon as I read Fanfest.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#48 - 2015-04-11 18:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
I see some problems with this whole idea.

1) As others already said, this will have serious implications on the PLEX market. The price will skyrocket and people who sub with PLEX for ISK because they can't afford it otherwise will have to quit. Instead of subscriptions, the PLEX money will now leave CCP and go to the manufacturer of the hardware. So they have less subscribers at the cost of less money. Pretty stupid deal if you ask me.

2) If there is a way to actually get stuff out of the system by beeing able to convert $ to PLEX to ISK to PLEX to STUFF to $ and not just one way, you create a system that would probably go as a real currency and is subject to tax law. There was a PLEX for Pizza thread some time ago where this was discussed at length. Not sure if that also applies if its only small amounts like with the graphics cards.

Evil RatKid
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-04-11 19:02:11 UTC
Dude 1 : Hey dude 2, I'll give you 100$ if you buy me that headset with your space bux.

Dude 2 : Ok

Congratulation, you just created a way to monetize ISK.
Eve Solecist
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#50 - 2015-04-12 00:01:30 UTC
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#51 - 2015-04-12 14:09:09 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
1) As others already said, this will have serious implications on the PLEX market.
"Serious implications" as in you and your code griefer buddies not being able to have so many alts for free? Well, time to loosen up the purse's strings honey! Do something useful for CCP and chip in some dough if you wanna keep scaring their new customers away.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
The price will skyrocket and people who sub with PLEX for ISK because they can't afford it otherwise will have to quit.
Nah you won't quit, you'll just have less alts plexed.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Instead of subscriptions, the PLEX money will now leave CCP and go to the manufacturer of the hardware.
As I explained before this is a good investment that will have its return and profit (see my previous posts on the thread for details).
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
So they have less subscribers at the cost of less money. Pretty stupid deal if you ask me.
No, they will have more subscribers and less alt accounts plexed, which I believe is good for CCP, the sandbox and the community in general.

Ima Wreckyou wrote:
2) If there is a way to actually get stuff out of the system by beeing able to convert $ to PLEX to ISK to PLEX to STUFF to $ and not just one way, you create a system that would probably go as a real currency and is subject to tax law. There was a PLEX for Pizza thread some time ago where this was discussed at length. Not sure if that also applies if its only small amounts like with the graphics cards.
This is a one time promotion that offers players the opportunity to acquire real world items with virtual currency, and not the other way around. For legal effects some jurisdictions may treat this as a taxable prize or award and the purchaser is solely responsible for determining the tax consequences, if any, associated with this offer (see terms and conditions of the PLEX for Nvidia Card offer for more details).
Anthar Thebess
#52 - 2015-04-13 07:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Again no?

Plex for VR?

No problem :
1. CCP buys 50 VR headsets.
2. Create a lottery : up to 2 tickets per account , each ticket 1 plex.
3. After 2 months simple draw ( only for still active accounts ) , and winers get VR headsets.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal
Plex prices will raise , more people will buy them from CCP .
There is BIG possibility that CCP will earn more $ than VR headsets are worth.

1 VR ~ 100 plexes so 5000 tickets need to be sold in order to cover CCP expenses.

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#53 - 2015-04-13 14:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Again no?

Plex for VR?

No problem :
1. CCP buys 50 VR headsets.
2. Create a lottery : up to 2 tickets per account , each ticket 1 plex.
3. After 2 months simple draw ( only for still active accounts ) , and winers get VR headsets.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal
Plex prices will raise , more people will buy them from CCP .
There is BIG possibility that CCP will earn more $ than VR headsets are worth.

1 VR ~ 100 plexes so 5000 tickets need to be sold in order to cover CCP expenses.


I don't see nothing wrong with your idea, except for the fact that you'd probably be the only player it would appeal to. I doubt anyone else would be dumb enough to trade 1 or 2 PLEXes for a 1 in 100/1 in 50 chance to win a headset.
Apart from promoting EVE, PLEX and VR the point behind the PLEX for VR HMD promotion is to give all capsuleers the opportunity to acquire headsets, not randomly reward only 50 of them.
Anthar Thebess
#54 - 2015-04-14 08:58:24 UTC
raven666wings wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Again no?

Plex for VR?

No problem :
1. CCP buys 50 VR headsets.
2. Create a lottery : up to 2 tickets per account , each ticket 1 plex.
3. After 2 months simple draw ( only for still active accounts ) , and winers get VR headsets.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing RMT. ISD Ezwal
Plex prices will raise , more people will buy them from CCP .
There is BIG possibility that CCP will earn more $ than VR headsets are worth.

1 VR ~ 100 plexes so 5000 tickets need to be sold in order to cover CCP expenses.


I don't see nothing wrong with your idea, except for the fact that you'd probably be the only player it would appeal to. I doubt anyone else would be dumb enough to trade 1 or 2 PLEXes for a 1 in 100/1 in 50 chance to win a headset.
Apart from promoting EVE, PLEX and VR the point behind the PLEX for VR HMD promotion is to give all capsuleers the opportunity to acquire headsets, not randomly reward only 50 of them.


Actually this will be like 1/100.000

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#55 - 2015-04-14 10:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Actually this will be like 1/100.000
See what I mean? You can't even do basic math, let alone come up with a proper idea for the PLEX for VR HMD promotion.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#56 - 2015-04-20 20:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Bumping it to the front page of GD! Don't forget to like, share and post in the thread! With enough community support CCP will make this happen! Oh and by the way, happy 4-20 guyz ♥
Anthar Thebess
#57 - 2015-04-20 23:02:00 UTC
Fight against RMT abuse.
Say no to buying expensive RL stuff using Plex.

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Ragori Mitternacht
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2015-04-20 23:43:09 UTC
From what I can see and have read it sounds like a great idea but at the same time this is something that looks great in thought but has the potential to be something else when in effect.

Ok so you want people to use plex to buy stuff for real world yeah that would be awesome and it is a chance for someone like me who has very little real world money a chance to get in on the new tech. oh and to the goon going on about plexing alts not all of us can afford to pay for multiple accounts that is why I love eve because I can still play even though I don't have lots of cash to spend.

Now yes I am sure some will say I am bashing here no I am just pointing out that not all of us players are rich or have lots of money or have a great job. I know I won't be getting any new system or console hell my little comp I have right now is barely functioning at times because I don't have the money to put into getting a new one or upgrading this one. So the chances of my getting into the VR and such is even less. so yeah go ahead and have fun about how much money you can blow while others like me sit here and get left behind.

Because I know that since I only have my little two dinky accounts one I pay for in real world cash and the other I plex I will never get a chance at winning one of those VR headsets or spending lots of real world $ to get the plex for it. So fine go ahead and screw up the plex market and justify it saying that it is just cheap people who plex and it will make ccp more money yeah it would but it would also drive out players like me who can't do that. So fine go ahead and turn CCP into another World of Warcraft.

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#59 - 2015-04-21 22:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ragori Mitternacht wrote:
From what I can see and have read it sounds like a great idea but at the same time this is something that looks great in thought but has the potential to be something else when in effect.

I see your point and yes there's definitely a degree of risk associated with the offer that CCP tried to assess on the first one. In the worst case scenario it could happen that the PLEX isk price would be inflated but the sellers would not buy back as many from CCP and not that many new players would sub new accounts and spend so much money on the New Eden Store as initially expected.

But marketing the product in a game company like this (which is not such a small time one as some people might make you believe) is always a risky investment. http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/corporateinformation/financial-information Take a look at CCP's last year's gross profit and marketing expenses on the page 5 of the 2014 financial statements sheet. Yes, it reads USD $33.3 million gross profit and USD $6.9 million marketing expense! That's right! In 2014 CCP spent 6.9 million dollars on promotional video productions and advertisements (if you look at previous year's statements like 2012 you'll see an expense of up to 12.5 mil). And they didn't know beforehand how many of the people that watched them on Youtube or Twitch or Google Ads or somewhere else would actually come play the game and give them some return. They can have market studies done but the risk is still there.

I think the PLEX for VR HMD promotion cost would be reasonable and fit in the marketing expenses budget for 2015 even if they spent like $0.75 mil on acquiring 5000 headsets like proposed/estimated before.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#60 - 2015-04-21 22:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Ragori Mitternacht wrote:
Because I know that since I only have my little two dinky accounts one I pay for in real world cash and the other I plex I will never get a chance at winning one of those VR headsets or spending lots of real world $ to get the plex for it. So fine go ahead and screw up the plex market and justify it saying that it is just cheap people who plex and it will make ccp more money yeah it would but it would also drive out players like me who can't do that. So fine go ahead and turn CCP into another World of Warcraft.
There are currently in-game ways to obtain large ammounts of isk. You can make a PLEX worth (currently 800 mil isk) in a couple hours. You'll just have to step your game up and figure them out to get your PLEX easier.