Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As I understand it, your alliance mates are perfectly capable of moving the super to a safe location during your absence.

If an interceptor is able to flip a station that you have 100s of billions of ISK floating at, maybe SOV isn't for you.

Option #1, allow anyone to salvage the wreck, add insurance for station hanger contents

None of which DESTROYS or LOOTS existing assets in the station.
You may lose access to the assets but they are still yours and they are still present. So you can find someone who can get them out on contract for you, fire sale them to get isk quick, slow sell them to get full market value, infiltrate the alliance to move your assets back out or launch a campaign to get them back by force.

What is being discussed is the possible outright destruction & theft of assets while offline, something that is currently only possible in POS, which match MEDIUM structures. Bolded for emphasis, POS are not large structures they are medium in the proposed sizes coming in. Outposts are large. And we currently do not have any XL structures at all.

So while medium structures should still be vulnerable to looting like currently, with a reinforcement mechanic, large and extra large structures are quite different kettles of fish. Small structures of course can be attacked with a simple suspect flag for the most part, and a short reinforcement timer in most cases also. Which works well.

You can already lose access to all the same stuff under the current system.

The space spread thing looks fine until you bring up the issues of the assembled ships.....


I think the SOE Idea could be nice (or other group) they send you a table into your journal with names of the ships they found that belong to you, with a price for witch they can collect those ships and deploy them in a low sec system of your choice. THat price could be something like 5-10% of the ship hull price

Cost, Logistics, because they like the ability to move around much easier than an XL structure would allow. Simply because they don't need them and they don't have that much at risk. If you aren't using super caps or caps you don't have any moored ships after all.

WH's may not allow XL structures because of 'Gravitational tides' on a big structure being too much while smaller structures can survive them.

Plenty of reasons to not build an XL really. Especially if the main way to attack them is not direct HP grind, so you don't gain huge amounts from having the bigger structure in terms of defence.

Option one or two sound feasible. I always imagined it would work in a fashion similar to how planetary launches currently operate, although option one sounds like it could be also very interesting although I'm not sure how practical it would be.

Option three is the least desirable.

Im all for 100% loot drop per the loot ferry on all structures. Make it really simple. You can explode the wrecks like the old hacking mini game too!

My ONLY concern is inactive players who are actually unsubbed and have been for awhile. They left the game with a certain set of rules in place and probably dont keep on changes. i suggest the following:

For accounts inactive at least:

- 60 days prior explode thier cans like a planetary launch, turns on at next login. Email explaining what happened. Destroy their current clone and relocate them to a random jc.

- More than 60 days relocate to their birth system with an email from interbus explaining where the stuff is and why. Move their current clone there as well.

To me this solves 100% of the problems simply.

At what point did supers get locked to accounts?

Moor super at structure.
Eject.
Log out.
**** happens.
Ally boards super.
Ally gets super to safety.

Where in the above is the EULA breach?

I kept hearing the phase "rightful owner" in the presentation but am unfamiliar with what those two words could mean in that combination in EVE.

I get it, you want people to be involved in the loss of their stuff, and it's no longer just the corp owning the structure that stands to lose. This is fundamentally at odds with the asynchronous gameplay offered by structures so you're trying to offer magic safety measures. But these are too absolute, especially in highsec. Magically transporting items

First, null. Bubbled gates provide a pretty good chance of SOMEONE catching the prior owner when he goes to retrieve his stuff........ but it probably won't be the guys who blew up the structure, nor even anyone affiliated with them, especially if there's a long delay before they come back.

Low: good luck catching that blockade runner.

High: oh god the abuse. Do you even realise how impossible it'll be to stop anyone with half a brain from getting their items to npc station safety? Neutral alts to carry the items, the original owner only moving items to them (fleet bay / putting in a jettisoned can), npc station in system pretty much guarantees the safety even if the owner doesn't know about such methods, even without this if the original owner isn't at war he's probably safe anyway, hauling in highsec is incredibly safe as a neutral.

How about this? Let's expand on the "in progress" idea with secured and unsecured assets.

You're never going to get people to consent to putting everything they own in a structure which can potentially be looted, there isn't a carrot big enough in the universe to make EVE players do that. But you could convince them to put assets they are using or have available for immediate use at risk.

The unscannable can idea has potential, and if it's only "secured" assets we can even lift restrictions on it, the owner can come pick it up whenever he chooses. Let's say that can is in fact part of your hangar in this structure, every hangar comes with an independent covert ops emergency warp thingamabob I don't care about the role playing excuse for this existing, but regardless it's your warping can idea, except it's part of your hangar.

Here's the catch: you can deposit items and ships to that hangar immediately, and in case you change your mind they're actually in an airlock like area for an hour or so but after that they're secure but inaccessible. If you want to remove something from the spacesafe, for some obscure reason to do with quantum physics this will take 20 hours. Basically you can't have it until tomorrow.

Unsecured assets have normal drop mechanics. Flip a coin to choose its fate and it ends up in the wreck, loot for all! You can't run jobs or place market orders with the secure area of course, so these drop too.

Incidentally regarding industry jobs, could you treat it as Runs * Time Since Job Started / Job Time output items plus Input Materials * Time Remaining / Job Time for the purpose of loot?

EDIT: Well I should've read the whole thread, the secure/insecure split was suggested earlier, although not with the ready for use mechanic that I'm suggesting, and later there's an inaccessible protected mode mentioned, although for the entire hangar. I like my solution best of course but I'm biased.