Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well many MANY supercap pilots have been asking for years to not make the Supercap a coffin even though they can park the ship in a pos or a CSMA. To the capital pilot, security does not work in a pos with a asset that is 20 billion + (you stage out of it, you use the shields to screw with people, you never park it there un-piloted or store it in a array).

CCP cannot allow Supers to simply dock in a station because then the super becomes invincible. The builder will become the escallating force in the game (whoever amasses as many supers as possible, wins). Now this was the standing order for the past two years, but allowing docking rights escalates that 100 fold (because the super becomes the station gaming megablob that cannot be killed because nothing short of several doomsday titans of a dozen blap dreads can grind through the hitpoints with enough speed to kill it before it docks in 1 minute). Basically Everybody Turtles (and we love fighting against people who turtle). Basically you swap one grind for another, except you now have to have such a force to basically alpha a POS in a 1 minute timespan)

The above goes against CCP's intention with the new Sov, which is to get people to defend their space, and to kill off the concept of weaponizing boredom and tedious grinding.

The pos shield is going with that same concept above. The capital, super, fleet, is immune while inside it. There is nothing you can do but **** cage it and camp the pos for what could be 48 hours straight. With mooring, you are putting a finite amount that can be staged at one Hub before the rest of the fleet will be at risk for staging at that hub. Obviously the rules will have to change with it, such as better security, lockdowns, cap limits on each hub, etc.

They are trying to create the new version of a pos, which supers can actually use, and feel secure in leaving their ship there for a 4 hour subcap roam without having to use a sitter alt, and feel secure that at least, for the extreme short term (a few hours to a day or two), there super can be moored, left, and not worried about it being stolen, bumped, or doomsdayed because of the current flawed pos mechanics.

People can feel reassured that a super pilot that decides to use the HUB as some sort of FU pos, can be attacked for trying it (following the rules that CCP will have to implement regarding that).

More detail is needed,but ccp is listening to this thread as its bringing up every issue people can think of, so that CCP can address it.

the TLDR version of this., get out of your head that you can dock your super with impunity, its never going to happen.

Same here and for hundreds (if not thousands) of other super pilots.

Question for both of you. If you could dock up a Super and be guaranteed that nothing would happen directly to it in the time you were gone from the game, be that eight hours or eight months, would you be fine with that?



It seems to me you've sort of countered your own argument here. Super's can't dock because they can't be killed in dock, but you yourself point out that logging out has roughly the same effect. If someone wants to play docking games with a Titan then as far as I'm concerned they're welcome to do so. I look forward to someone anchoring a fleet of Dreadnaughts on the undock in Siege Mode so when the idiot undocks he goes flying off the docking ring the moment he moves.

Heck, if the specific mechanics of docking are an issue then have special docking mechanics for Supers that mirror the current log-off mechanics.

Basically I'm not seeing Docking as being too significant of a departure from current gameplay, at least as far as Super Capital safety goes, and docking games aren't much of a concern when it takes you 20-30 seconds to lock up something anyway.



That's the case for current Supers pilots but there's no reason that has to be the case going forward. Especially with a big rebalance of Super Capital ships on the horizon.

I like the crying.

But lets think about. Atm we do not know if XL-Structures will allow docking for Caps in general.
Maybe all Capitals had to moore to a structure (Wich one ever... I suggest that with the most guns *hrhr*)

And do not tell us Industrials sth. about risks. Many guys had to take the bullet with these changes. No more safehavens like an outpost, no more Bubbels to save the Indu taking care about Reactions, Prodd.lines or whatever.
Also their stuff could then also get blown up.


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kek

Actually I'd suggest getting it into your head that it might be possible. Because there are strong arguments why as well linked into the RL demands and gameplay accepting them. I.E. same reason we have timers etc. CCP will have to make a decision one way or the other, but the short version is that if mooring allows your ship to be looted just because you went on holiday for a weekend, no-one will bother using it and they will continue in their current play style of logging off and unsubbing titan alts till they are needed.
Because there already is a playstyle people need to want to change that play style for anything different to happen.

Just wondering, has it been considered that some structures would have different mooring/docking tresholds?

For example, a ''medium'' structure would allow docking of cruiser and below, but mooring of BC and BS ships?

I would love for it to be a ''only build as big as you need it'' mentality, especially if it becomes pssible to settle in frigate-hole shattered systems.

You are completely clueless...

A lot of us dedicate a LOT of time and isk into training for supers, to help our fellow corp/alliance. We also run dedicated alts for them, to further make it easier to use them.

Buyers regret? What are you even talking about??? If anyone has an issue, they can simply sell their supers and alts. We are talking about STILL being able to use them (for the LITTLE amount we use them).

I'm pretty sure anyone that enjoys flying a ship, and is told it's probably getting a complete change of gameplay, would be worried. So far CCP has been bending over backward to accommodate all those noobs that can't deal with carriers, supercarriers and titans, and now we are told the ONLY safe way to 'store' them is being taken away (sit inside POS shield, use safe log off) and our ONLY standby option that is safe (sit in POS shield, wait for orders, bridging people, etc) is ALSO being taken away! Of course we want answers and we want to be sure we can still use our ships, wouldn't you???

Just allow us to do Safe Logoff Faster -- You can your structure for other stuff tho -- I'm sure it will look cool.

Sure, but naturally they should cost almost as much tritanium as a real super because, well, it's a big hunk of metal that's as big as a super. I don't know if people would bother spending that much tritanium just for a decoy though, when they could just have a real super there.