Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, then just leave a POS shield up around the structure, like we have now

I dont know if this point has been raised (it might well have), but the one thing I cant wrap my head around is why you would restrict the ability to dock to XL-structures?

I mean, building a "space home" is a goal for a not insignificant segment of the player base, and the ability to dock is somewhat essential to the idea of a "home" (for those so inclined, the "spacehouse" should also contain a captains quarters).

IMO, the docking feature should come into play at M level (a personal home), and the thing that changes through L and XL is the ability for docking that would support a "corporation HQ" (L-size) or "Alliance HQ" (XL-size), capacitywise (i.e. how big the hangars are)

I made a little image regarding mooring, with respects to wspace.

http://imgur.com/9lGLPAJ

If it's something around that, maybe it'll work.

While I was making it, I decided to try to come up with concepts to break mooring. Here's what I came up with.

1) Moore your ship, log off. If a mooring dock has a finite amount of mooring spots (let's say 8 for supercapitals), once you log off with your cap while moored? Does the mooring spot free itself up?

If it does, you can fit a unlimited amount of caps and pods in 1 structure.
If it doesn't, you now can grief the station owner by logging off caps, taking all the mooring structures and denying anybody else the ability to dock.

If the ship stays in space when you log off, you can't use the Moore at that spot (and lost 1).

Let's break it some more.

5 fleet boosters all within mooring range. They get attacked, I instantly Moore the one being attacked, they switch, I unmoore the original one and Moore the one getting attacked. Rinse and repeat.

Just some thoughts. Not against mooring but the rules regarding combat timers will have to be addressed (else it turns into jita undock everywhere).

I thought it was a given that you would be able to log off while moored, much as you log off while docked (except taking up one of a limited number of mooring spots).

check my 12 point proposal that ytterbium liked btw...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5606971#post5606971

I like this as well. I think a lot of it is obvious things that make sense and don't deviate too far from current functionality. The one thing I would add is some kind of permissions system that allows a player to leave their Super there and accessible but only to players with the correct roles. This allows an Alliance to, if they so choose, have a Super in storage and accessible even if the pilot is not available but without the risk associated with a POS where anyone with the password can go "yoink! mine!"

The downside of course being that since it's unpiloted it doesn't Panic Jump if the structure is compromised, it just un-moors and the free-for-all starts.

Random idea, does anyone else think it would be kind of cool to have a version of the Captain's Quarters for Moored Supers pilots that's actually part of their ship and looks out onto the space around the station? I think it'd be pretty badass to be able to walk over to a window and stare out at a frigate fleet forming up on the station and see just how small they are relative to your massive ship.

For an added bonus this means that once people figure out where those quarters are on each ship they can troll the Moored Supers pilots by ramming into the view-port...

Disclaimer - this is a general concern and not specifically a mooring docking concern.

Another wh concern is my indy pos. I'm not a big indy guy, but we have one set up for corp use. That's the thing - it's just one pos. We online and offline a whole lot of crap on an as needed basis.

Example: we have one guy that is on alone in our off hours time about once a month. When alone and bored he occaisionally mines. So we have a ore to minerals converter thinger (I don't know the actual name of it) that gets used maybe a few times every other month. It's normally offline. To use it, I offline a currently unused thinger, then I online the rock crusher thinger and make some minerals for the guy. When that task is completed I offline the rock crusher thinger and put the other thinger back online.

If that easy online / offline of the indy thingers functionality is lost w/ the upcoming changes I'll be left w/ 2 options:
1. Set up and fuel multiple structures that are rarely used.
2. Tell one of my guys I can't support part of his play style anymore.

There are several indy thingers that several guys only use once in a while. Currently I can suppport a lot of side activities for my guys by only fueling a single pos and swapping thingies as needed. If I have to keep all the thingers fueled all the time - I'll more than likely provide less thingies for my guys to use. Not getting into my corps structure, but via a minor tax we (the corp) provide most of everything to the corp. The guys just need to show up w/ ships to pvp in - we cover all the other crap.

I'm worried all the other crap will become less or the corp tax will become more for some infrequently used thingies.

I agree that a few more high level details (like can I online and offline thingies) would be wonderful. I think the replacement thingies are far enough in the future that this will all become clear before it gets dumped on tranquility.

If you check the various dev posts in this thread you'll note that there are apparently some as-yet unstated issues with the current POS shield mechanics. If I had to guess I would say this relates to abuses of said mechanics like "skynetting", garage door cynos, bumping, and all the other edge cases people have figured out for abusing POS shields for fun and profit.

The issue isn't the combat potential of POSes. Otherwise CCP wouldn't have given us a mock-up of structure fitting that includes a Stargate with guns on it. It's a safe bet that some or all of these new structures are going to include defensive equipment of some kind.

In my mind, the way it would typically work is that while super owners would sometimes moor and log off at corporation owned structures, when they really want safety they will moor at a privately owned smaller structure only capable of mooring a single ship. This structure will be fitted with a cloak and, unless someone finds the structure during the (long, I'm thinking five minutes) cloak reactivation timer, thus cannot be found by direction scan or probes while not being decloaked by proximity of an unmoored object. Logging in while moored would not involve an emergency warp and would not trigger decloaking of the structure as the ship would still be moored, making this in some ways safer for the super pilot.

Incidentally, such a portable mooring station which can fit a cloak could be the replacement for afk cloaking if that REALLY has to go, which I don't think it does.

You mean the free stuff everyone else gets - the ability not to arbitrarily lose a ship when they go on holiday for a couple of weeks. Oh, how unreasonable of super pilots to want the same degree of safety accorded to every other single pilot in the game with every other class of ship.

I'm just not making the connection between "your ship is really expensive" and "so you should just get ******", which appears to be your arguement.