Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Very interested as:

- Have long wanted a Nyx and originally thought I would have a simple 'holding character' and fly with my main (switching out under cover of a POS-shield)
- Understand now after advice and the time approaches, that this is not at all ideal and am training the 'holder' to be a 'proper' SC pilot

Thus I get the points of multple-alt-Super/Titan owners, but also understand the viewpoint of the more 'normal' EVE player who may, perhaps, want to enjoy the 'big stuff' with just one account and maybe even just one character.

CCP have not yet really given much detail, and hopefully may comment, but if I may make a few guesses......:

- The XL(?) structure that can have attached a 'Supers' docking 'bay' I envisage (as some piccies show) may radiate multiple docking arms (limit by slots - max 8?). The 'forward-basing' battle station type may be all docking-bays (mid-slots?) with just guns(hi-slots?) and defences/hp (lo-slots/rigs?)

- A 'Super' rents a docking-slot (cost/availability based upon standings, etc) and they are available through the market. The 'super' warps into 'soft-mooring' range (where they are invulnerable - like in a POS shield) and are at '0' from the XL/station; selecting 'his' moor-point. He can perhaps 'sit there' and access some services (like fitting, etc). Within such range he may even not have to have a moor-point actually rented

- A 'super' may elect to actually dock/moor though, at his rented slot. He may then enter the actual XL/station and do lots of other things (leave in other ships, clone-jump elsewhere for a bit, buy clothes.....). The slot-rents may be per day the ship remains docked and unoccupied, whether the character is logged in or not

- When the player wishes to 'safe' his 'super' all he needs to do is re-enter the ship and un-moor/dock. Whilst still in soft-mooring range, he may elect to 'Log Safe', just like in a POS now, in which case he would log back in similarly within soft-moor range (invulnerable). Or, he may warp off and safe-log just like now - which would mean he wouldn't log back in next to the station, which, if it was a long time gap, may not be 'sensible' now.

The whole point - a pilot is no longer in a coffin if they do not wish to be and it is not limiting. For multiple 'super' owners, however (notwithstanding any future changes to Caps/SCs/Titans - maybe even the poor Rorqual!), they can still enjoy those multiple chars as they can spread all over EVE, should they choose to.

So, if the above is a good set of guesses, then I can completely understand 'why mooring'. It enables more for the 'little guy'. Multiple-alt-owners are not penalised in any way from now and can potentially do more.

100% waste of time if the supers can't be safe while mooring/unmooring.

No one will use it, since the moment you try to log off (aka unmoore, fly to a safe, and HOPEFULLY you can log off without dying) would mean certain death.


Think about this CCP, VERY carefully before removing POS bubbles. That's our ONLY way to safely log off, have no timer, be uncloak, no modules activated, and then safe log off and wait 30 seconds!!!!!!!!!

Something that would be cool is that a station could moor ships outside it and make them available to lease for some fee.

The idea comes from the fact that our corp runs a ship distribution program where pilots can buy doctrine ships fit and ready to go from contracts, but it would be great if they could just hop in one without having to go through the contract process. The leasing price could be set for anyone to be able to borrow the ship. When its returned, the lease price is reimbursed.

it would also be nice for mooring to not only be limited to capitals, and to allow smaller ships to moor at small facilities . This would let small organizations operate deep inside 0.0, and still be able to safely bring multiple ships, and to safely log out.

Re-read what i wrote, and you will see that i'm not asking 100% safe.

BTW loging off in a POS shield, using the safe log out is as close to 100% safe we can have it.

Loging off in a station is 100% safe.

It needs to be the same or else it gets a huge NO from supercap pilots.

Also there's zero talk about being able to log on/off from a mooring. So far it's a station ornament gimmick that is inviting to be gank and die.



The moment supers don't dissapear once they log off, is the moment they add a 'eject from station' button. Let's see how that feels, it's only fair

If we don't mention it, then it's going to be another half-ass CCP idea. Been around over 10 years, and seen plenty of those. Supers are already short-listed (and caps to an extent), we don't need more stupid idea's.

Also CCP doesn't want supers to dock, ever. They even magically manipulated the stats to stop them from docking (check the mass to volume ratio to physical size on a supercarrier compared to a dreadnought and carrier. It makes no sense, it's artificial to stop supercarriers from docking). They have been saying 'maybe they can dock' for well over 5+ years, and their actions always showed they do NOT want them to dock.

They're soliciting feedback. If they don't hear "yeah! Supers should be allowed to dock up!" then they're not going to go for the more drastic change.

Personally I have a fair amount of faith in CCP's ability to listen to player feedback and make a good decision, even if making everyone happy is literally impossible.

Also the Volume statistic on pretty much every ship in the game is inaccurate since ages ago. Some quick napkin math will tell you that the Volume of an Avatar Titan is missing a few zeroes.

Ytterbium, I don't see any of the points you raised as negative, they are either neutral or positive. Mooring is a very good idea to fix the problem with super capitals not being able to dock, and once POS's are removed there will be no place to keep them except for logging them off. Although I am expecting that next you will remove super capitals from being able to disappear in space which would be another positive step in the right direction.

I think a lot of folks are assuming (maybe incorrectly) that tons of supers are good for the game. Who knows, they may actually become the rare ship they were initially designed to be.

Here are 2 suggestins for you.

1. There are so many deserted systems in null. Unmoor (or whatever the new mechanic will be) and cyno to a deserted system. Log off. I'm sure if your alliance can manage a fleet of supers, they can manage to bottle up a few dead end systems and secure a safe log off.

2. Logging off via down time is ALWAYS SAFE.

Impossible and inconvenient are two different words for a reason.

I live in a wh, I have more to risk than just one super if they do a bad job w/ the docking / mooring stuff. I would rather have the POS shield stuff remain - probably more than you. I'm just giving you some possible options if it comes to that.

There's too many supers in game. WHs weren't designed for folks to settle in them. They are different but they are the same.

A little perspective for you. A settled wh more than likely has a lot more value in it than the most blinged out super. A lot of folks have a lot at stake based on how these changes go. You (points finger at you) can either step up, make plans and have a few options so that you can best adapt to whatever comes.... OR..... you can whine and cry on the forums.

You're worring about how you can moor your one little ship safely. I'm worried about having my entire (though small by null block standards) corp and way of playing eve steam rolled. Your concerns are pretty much small potatoes compared to mine. Adapt or quit, but done don't whine and complain. If you've been in game long enough to fly a super then you've been around long enough to know how CCP is going to implement their plan.


TL/DR Change is coming, you can catch the wave and ride it or you can get crushed by it - no one cares either way.

Currently ships can undock and sit safely in the POS shields ready to move, to reduce the amount of tidi in a system..

With the new system, there is nowhere in space safe to sit and form, subcaps would need to stay docked. The act of undocking a fleet would cause unnecessary tidi.