Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What I have not seen suggested (though I may have missed it) is a specific Moor structure. Something similar to an acceleration gate that sends all the supers off into shielded deadspace that cannot be entered without using the mooring gate. As many titans and supers can be packed into the spaces as you like (it could created multiple grids if one fills), you can probe it down to get a good look, but you can't get in to bump or even fly in because there's NEVER a password to get in.

When someone undocks, the desired ship is jumped back to the mooring gate and the pilot gets to sit in it going at undocking speed.

Since this is intended as a replacement for the current "flying Coffin" status of Super Capitals it should offer about the same intel value. Right now you can figure out who owns a Super Capital and run a Locator Agent on their pilot to figure out where the Super is. You can also figure out how many Supers are in-system in a similar fashion even if they're cloaked.

If we accept that removal of "Flying Coffin" status is desirable enough to not be considered a buff for balance purposes then there's nothing wrong with maintaining roughly the same level of intel capability here, which means there should be some way of determining where Supers are located and stored, but that it should require some cost (like a locator agent) though not enough to discourage intel gathering.

Maybe have Supers either enter some kind of shielded bubble or cloak when Moored, which also helps explain the invulnerability, but you can use some kind of Bomb (something deployed from a Bomb launcher, not something that does damage), Probe, or scanner, that you deploy or use on a Mooring facility to determine what's docked there in more detail.

This also has the advantage of making intel gathering on Super Capitals a more active activity, rather than simply having a one-day Alt with high standings stuck in a station with a Locator Agent.

That's for the upcoming update, and will be in the game well before the new Structures system comes into play. It's also a fairly minor amount of work assuming it's just a new effect over the old "skin" and the new effect will likely see some use in the new system somewhere.

Given that CCP flat out stated they want to remove forcefields I'd say Querns is correct.

Another way to make another class of capital ship useless (The Rorqual)

Take away POS shields and no more boosting from a POS with an Orca or Rorqual (awesome job CCP)

I think that's a more than reasonable expectation at this point.

Rorqual is to be balaced, to be able do deploy some thing like pos shields so don't worry.

Short question on the Graphics side here.

Playing since pretty much 2003 i got quite used to the old hangar views... and... i don't think they are something to keep around if you completly redo the whole docking system.

What about removing the old hangar viewes in the docking mode.
The current views are different for all racial stations/hangars and as the new structure system is going to be more unified, it would make sense to create a new one (or maybe more) for the unified designs.
They should then be more immersive and could (potentiaonally) show the scale much better, as we are not bound to the usuall zoom-out-and-in details problem we have anywhere else in space.

Thinking of something like you showed us in the "Future of Structures Presentation" - The Hangar Artwork with the "docked" Minmatar BC.

I Know this is a minor point and all the game design is much more in focus for now, but would this be something to consider?

Great shoutout to the whole structures Team, your work is awesome so far and your replys are pretty good, it really feels like our discussions here matter!

Greetings

Well there are obviously things I do not understand behind several of the why's.

I would have imagined that mooring would have been for the opportunity to get out of a super during online times without concerns of theft, and in my wildest dreams the ability to sell it via market or contract. I would think that you would still want to store it by safe log off.
I have no idea why the hate for force fields. If it is a code or server issue, I can live without actually seeing it. But at least in low sec, we rely on them for a tremendous amount of staging, most importantly bridging and safe spot when logging on/off supers. Most other needs can be done from an NPC station, but if there is no station then I can see a definite need for miners and industry toons to have a safe area to land.

CCP has gone to great lengths to explain that bumping out of a POS today is such a haneous offence a player can be banned for it, but now you are indicating that the ship will be fair game to bump away or hic point if not moored. So very confusing.

We need the safety and the ability to use ship mods currently allowed within pos structures today to reasonably function.

Forcefields just generally cause a lot of potential for exploits, edge-case behavior, and other issues. Just to list two that come to mind: "Garage Door force-fields", that let you Cyno in and then turn on the shield, significantly mitigating risk to your ship and risk-free escape from a bubbled POS by resetting the forcefield to fling the ships clear of the bubble cage. Add on issues with bumping, sitting next to the field to do something then just moving 5 feet and being "safe" again, and probably a few other things I'm not thinking of right now and it's not hard to see why CCP might want to get rid of forcefields.

As to modules that can be used inside a POS, the only thing that comes to mind with significant game effect is Boosts, and since Off-grid Boosting is going away at some point, probably along with this re-work, that's a null concern here.

Staging and other uses should be taken up by some sort of station analogue or the new Mooring system. It's important to remember that these structures are not going to all be exclusive to Null Security space (though obviously some will be) so if you have a reasonable use-case then outline it and make a case for how and why it should be covered by a new structure in Low Security space.

yeah, people have spent years edge-casing all sorts of **** with pos shields, from pos bowling, to safe cynoing, to skynet, etc, it's just asking for trouble in a game like eve

it is immensely more exploitable if you're no longer restricted from only anchoring those force fields at specific points at a moon