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Does anybody mine moons?
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xavier zor2
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-23 01:10:57 UTC
Have you ever tried it before, of investigated into it? Moon mining :)

I hear it is highly profitable Roll
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#2 - 2015-03-23 01:13:54 UTC
good luck
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2015-03-23 01:22:26 UTC
Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people.

That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#4 - 2015-03-23 01:40:26 UTC
The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).
xavier zor2
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-03-23 01:50:22 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people.

That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then.

Mr Epeen Cool


why does it need 6000 people?

Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though...
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#6 - 2015-03-23 02:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
xavier zor2, it is mainly defense & logistics.

You see, it's a very lucrative resource pool, and all of has already been taken up, so to get a chance at mining, you'd have to destroy & evict someone, and only then install your own POS.

But then someone else might get the same idea as you did and the cycle continues. Smile

You could start either by mining ore, or planetary excavation - both of these can be undertaken solo, or in a small group.

When you get the hang of the scanning system, you could start Gas Harvesting. Smile

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Kahawa Oban
New Groton Industrial Works
#7 - 2015-03-23 02:15:36 UTC
Check out this site:

http://eve-moons.com/search.php

However, usually if you find a moon with a good quality resource it is already being mined and if you want to do something about it you will need lots of friends.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2015-03-23 02:23:48 UTC
xavier zor2 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people.

That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then.

Mr Epeen Cool


why does it need 6000 people?

Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though...


I can neither confirm nor deny that I have characters in moon mining corps.

But I can answer why you need many people. To get the moon you need to take over the space from entrenched alliances with years of experience defending their little corner of New Eden from any and all that wish to take it from them.

No easy task.

Mr Epeen Cool
xavier zor2
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-23 02:34:31 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
xavier zor2, it is mainly defense & logistics.

You see, it's a very lucrative resource pool, and all of has already been taken up, so to get a chance at mining, you'd have to destroy & evict someone, and only then install your own POS.

But then someone else might get the same idea as you did and the cycle continues. Smile

You could start either by mining ore, or planetary excavation - both of these can be undertaken solo, or in a small group.

When you get the hang of the scanning system, you could start Gas Harvesting. Smile


Planetary harvesting...do i need a different mining tool (NOT a laser?), or a different ship (im using a venture, just started skilling into mining barges)?

Links anyone?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-03-23 02:36:11 UTC
Noriko Mai
#11 - 2015-03-23 02:49:18 UTC
xavier zor2 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people.

That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then.

Mr Epeen Cool


why does it need 6000 people?

Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though...

Mr Epeen has no clue. You need at least over 9000.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Serene Repose
#12 - 2015-03-23 03:17:46 UTC
xavier zor2 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Before you learn to mine moons, you need to learn to mine the internet. Mine it for people.

That's the only way you'll be able to increase your corp by the approximately 6,000 players needed to go take some. Get back to us once you own a few and we can work on the logistics of it then.

Mr Epeen Cool


why does it need 6000 people?

Defense of POS, complex reaction chamber, ect. Have you ever done it yourself though...
It takes that many to hold the drill bit to get your hole started.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-03-23 03:23:15 UTC
I wasn't kidding when I said "be ready to be disappointed" about moon mining.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-23 03:26:31 UTC
Goon csms are trying to get moon goo turned into belts that people then have to mine in space, like mining ores.

While IRC hate goons more than most ppl, there's good indication that not all the votes their csms get are pre-filled ballots.
Serene Repose
#15 - 2015-03-23 03:39:49 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Goon csms are trying to get moon goo turned into belts that people then have to mine in space, like mining ores.

While IRC hate goons more than most ppl, there's good indication that not all the votes their csms get are pre-filled ballots.
One can't goose step constantly. It attracts attention.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Traynea Zulai
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-03-23 04:58:42 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).



I COULD NOT AGREE MORE Big smile
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#17 - 2015-03-23 05:18:57 UTC
Traynea Zulai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).



I COULD NOT AGREE MORE Big smile


Target that moon!

Could have an interesting effect on T2 prices - it's high time T2 became the new T1! Blink

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Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#18 - 2015-03-23 05:56:56 UTC
Yes, I have mined a moon. As a solo player, you're not going to get one that "pays for itself" (i.e. that is worth more than the cost of POS fuel) because those are mostly claimed. However, there are several more common goo types that are not worth mining alone, and you can mine one of those as a way of reducing the price of your POS.

For example: If you're running a POS that costs 100mil/month in fuel, perhaps for a safespot to rat or mine out of, you could put it on a barren moon or on a moon that has goo worth say 50 mil/month. Why not put it on the moon with the low-value goo? It doesn't by itself justify a mining POS, but it can't hurt.
Nick Actilete
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-03-23 06:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Actilete
Jenn aSide wrote:
The best thing CCP will ever do is one day make moon mining a player activity instead of something that requires a pos. Or place moon materials in some kind of belts or rings and let people do it that way (a way that is then taxable so as to make null group income bottom up).


I do kinda feel like a "Moon Interaction" system would be nice, but POS'es generate content a lot of the time. I don't think we should remove anything that would take away possibilities for PvP, and alliances fighting over moons is one of them. The requirement of having a POS also means continuing being able to mine moons is a reward to those who can keep their POS safe.

I'm sure people setup POS'es solo in and mine moons, so any claims about it needing large groups are invalid. Because I know it's possible.

E: risk and reward, and if we are honest here, PI (and therefore "MI") does not have much risk involved at all. Just transferring materials.
Aoi Shirokuro
Crazydiamond The Works
#20 - 2015-03-23 10:37:35 UTC
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I'm sure people setup POS'es solo in and mine moons, so any claims about it needing large groups are invalid. Because I know it's possible.


It is. I have an alt to do that. The problems with solo moon mining are:
- The only moons left to mine have ressources that barely break even (or not at all).
- If you find a Moon with a profitable ressource, it has a high chance of attracting attention sooner or later.You might have the time neccessary to break even on the investment but you also might not. And defending POSes alone is rarely doable (not against capitals at least)
- The initial investment can be a probleme for the solo player (see point above about losing the POS).
- More importantly, the logistic to keep the POS fueled can be hardcore, especially in deep low or null

All in all, it is useless as a solo player to set up a pure mining POS (too much work for very low return on investment), unless you do it for the kicks or set up a reaction POS (even then, a medium POS reacting Sulfuric Acid and mining the two reactants makes about 20M a month after fuel, it takes one year to pay itself back).
Reaction POSes scale very well with numbres but managing them all alone can be horrendrously complicated
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