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Will CCP be hiring Marmites ?

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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#201 - 2015-03-27 16:57:34 UTC
Bored in lowsec? What are these preposterous words I hear.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#202 - 2015-03-27 17:39:58 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Tengu Grib wrote:
Vic Jefferson wrote:
There will never be a time when wardecers have enough free kills to satiate them.

There will never be a time when HiSecers feel truly safe enough to stop complaining.

Ya'll should drink a tall cool glass of Orange Juice and come on down to to Low or NPC null. No rules, just right.


Been there, got bored and came back.


Then you were obviously Doing It Wrong.


The low sec probably, and I fully intend to give it another chance. This time I'll probably do it with a corp. I had fun in wormholes and intend to live there again at some point in the future.

As for nullsec it was the Sov mechanics that killed it for me. Couple that with my odd and sporadic availability 0.0 was no fun at all, with bursts of fantastic levels of excitement. Once the new Sov mechanics come in I fully intend to move my alt back to null. Not sure where yet, I'm sure our Goon overlords would have me, but at the same time it might be more fun to join up with some underdogs and fight a giant. We'll have to see.

All that being said, Tengu himself will probably always be in HS causing trouble. There's always something to do.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#203 - 2015-03-27 18:49:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Veers is Veers. Activate to double the size of any threadnaught he disagrees with.
His views are set in stone and no amount of common sense, logic, facts, or persuasion will change that.
I've tried. I really have. He's a smart dude, but I keep getting the feeling that he's the product of a gated community and has been spoon fed propaganda his entire life. If this is so, that kind of indoctrination is terribly hard to break, and he himself may break before accepting that his worldview up to this point was based on flawed assumptions.
Don't hate him, just encourage him by whatever means to discover that there is fun in this game and it's not what he's been doing.



I bet I could convert him.

The sell is not on the forums though. I bet he would be on-board with killing some can flippers or marmite guys. If there are some baiters he knows he wants to kill perhaps, we could find them and give them a surprise.

We could teach him to pvp as a white knight against evil.

That's how I started out... And that's why I started in high sec.

I wanted to kill those nasty flippers who are curbstomping noobs.

I never lost the protective view of noobs, though I've popped quite a few. (I had one get me one night in Akia (I was flying a velator, and he kept throwing my cans) and you would think he won the Super Bowl). I was proud of him.

The problem comes after you taste blood and realize the nasty flippers are nice guys. I then lost sight of good vs evil and just saw it as a game.

Hard to hold onto that world view once you've seen behind the curtain.

Veers, if you have a target list of pvp'ers who deserve to be curb stomped let me know. We can probably go have some laughs at their expense. You want to see behind the curtain, don't you?

If nothing else, I can give you a look at how to win against us.

Here is a tutorial I wrote a while back to start you. Read it, if you don't think I can help you after that I'll be surprised.

Let's go kill some clowns. We'll just do people who deserve it. I can teach you to hunt and stage the kill.


I'm not interested in curbstomping anyone. I would like to see highsec mechanics that encourage social interaction and the formation of corporations rather than actively discourage that.



Come on,
Can't you think of even one pirate you would like to kill? There is always someone who has it coming. Find me in game if you prefer.

Even if you don't want to kill anyone, I'd be willing to give you a full course of instruction on how fights and wardecs are won. If nothing else, you could tell noobs how to kill griefers.

The knowledge I'm offering to share has value. More than one corp has paid me to consult over the years.

I'd train you at no risk or cost to yourself.
What do you say?
Mo
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#204 - 2015-03-27 23:05:23 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Come on,
Can't you think of even one pirate you would like to kill? There is always someone who has it coming. Find me in game if you prefer.

Even if you don't want to kill anyone, I'd be willing to give you a full course of instruction on how fights and wardecs are won. If nothing else, you could tell noobs how to kill griefers.

The knowledge I'm offering to share has value. More than one corp has paid me to consult over the years.

I'd train you at no risk or cost to yourself.
What do you say?
Mo


Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#205 - 2015-03-27 23:17:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Come on,
Can't you think of even one pirate you would like to kill? There is always someone who has it coming. Find me in game if you prefer.

Even if you don't want to kill anyone, I'd be willing to give you a full course of instruction on how fights and wardecs are won. If nothing else, you could tell noobs how to kill griefers.

The knowledge I'm offering to share has value. More than one corp has paid me to consult over the years.

I'd train you at no risk or cost to yourself.
What do you say?
Mo


Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.

Marmite rarely wardecs without rhyme or reason. Hell I've been on coms when Tora starts a wardeccing spree and I can tell you he is busting out a rhyme for each 1 Lol

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#206 - 2015-03-27 23:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.
One of the reasons Marmite and the like wardec multiple corps at once is the drop/remake corp mechanic you're so fond of using.

They have to dec multiple corps to have something to shoot at when nullsec folk aren't being stupid in highsec.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#207 - 2015-03-28 00:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mobadder Thworst wrote:


Come on,
Can't you think of even one pirate you would like to kill? There is always someone who has it coming. Find me in game if you prefer.

Even if you don't want to kill anyone, I'd be willing to give you a full course of instruction on how fights and wardecs are won. If nothing else, you could tell noobs how to kill griefers.

The knowledge I'm offering to share has value. More than one corp has paid me to consult over the years.

I'd train you at no risk or cost to yourself.
What do you say?
Mo


Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.


Awww...really? So you're saying you wouldn't even take a shot at little old me if the opportunity presented itself...say if I were suspect right in front of you? I know deep down the thought would cross your mind. You'd only need to push the button. P

You should take Mo up on his offer to teach you. You may learn something...and you may actually have fun. Yes Veers, there is much to learn. You may not accept it...but you do not know everything. Lol

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#208 - 2015-03-28 01:04:51 UTC
Veers,
With the knowledge I offer, you could make a difference for good. Given the choice, are you not morally obligated to do good?

You know an easy way to prevent war decs? Stomp anyone who decs you.

I'm just saying, you don't have to be an aggressor,
Mo

"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#209 - 2015-03-28 02:58:31 UTC
"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi

I thought that was Mel, the cook on 'Alice'?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#210 - 2015-03-29 02:09:29 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi

I thought that was Mel, the cook on 'Alice'?


Almost hard to guess which said it first...
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#211 - 2015-03-29 04:53:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.
One of the reasons Marmite and the like wardec multiple corps at once is the drop/remake corp mechanic you're so fond of using.

They have to dec multiple corps to have something to shoot at when nullsec folk aren't being stupid in highsec.


What a confused argument. The fold corp option should make mass wardeccing less useful, and force careful target selection to find corps that have a reason to stay in business. That marmite doesn't even bother shows what a sham the whole thing is.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#212 - 2015-03-29 07:12:37 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.
One of the reasons Marmite and the like wardec multiple corps at once is the drop/remake corp mechanic you're so fond of using.

They have to dec multiple corps to have something to shoot at when nullsec folk aren't being stupid in highsec.


What a confused argument. The fold corp option should make mass wardeccing less useful, and force careful target selection to find corps that have a reason to stay in business. That marmite doesn't even bother shows what a sham the whole thing is.


The fold corp method of dodging wars is ridiculous. Imo, it should cost...no less than the cost of the war dec...because it is essentially a surrender. So you see...there is an argument for the other side of that issue as well... Roll

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#213 - 2015-03-29 08:02:29 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.
One of the reasons Marmite and the like wardec multiple corps at once is the drop/remake corp mechanic you're so fond of using.

They have to dec multiple corps to have something to shoot at when nullsec folk aren't being stupid in highsec.


What a confused argument. The fold corp option should make mass wardeccing less useful, and force careful target selection to find corps that have a reason to stay in business. That marmite doesn't even bother shows what a sham the whole thing is.


The fold corp method of dodging wars is ridiculous. Imo, it should cost...no less than the cost of the war dec...because it is essentially a surrender. So you see...there is an argument for the other side of that issue as well... Roll


Sure...so you make folding corps expensive.

Result: Wardecc targets simply dock up and play on alts for a week....they have a chain of alts in 1 man corps with 1 alt in npc corp...they play on whichever 1 man corp alt isnt decced, and if they all get decced switch to the npc alt.

Now what? It's your move, milady.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2015-03-29 08:11:47 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Sure...so you make folding corps expensive.

Result: Wardecc targets simply dock up and play on alts for a week....they have a chain of alts in 1 man corps with 1 alt in npc corp...they play on whichever 1 man corp alt isnt decced, and if they all get decced switch to the npc alt.

Now what? It's your move, milady.


Your premise is flawed again.
I underlined the false part. CCP has data to prove that the poeple under wardec will stay and play longer because they have something to fight for (their corp).
But to solve the issue of people like you: Make NPC corps a newbie only venture. The first 3 months, you get to be in an NPC corp, after that you have to either join or make your own corp.
Leaving corp will be like transferring poco's, impossible while engaged in war.

D.

Bear

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#215 - 2015-03-29 14:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Masao Kurata
If people leave NPC corps because of the tax, levy an NPC tax on player corporations in inverse proportion to the number of active pve pilots in the corporation, starting at 20% for a one man corporation and hitting 1% at one hundred active members. Definition of active pve pilot pending, wouldn't want it to be easily abusable :P

Yes this is intentionally higher than NPC corporations for one man corps, the reason being that you get to waste wardeccers' time and ISK.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#216 - 2015-03-29 15:20:22 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi

I thought that was Mel, the cook on 'Alice'?


That reminds me of another quote:

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#217 - 2015-03-29 16:50:40 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi

I thought that was Mel, the cook on 'Alice'?


Play Civ 3, and you'll be ready to believe it was Ghandi. He has the highest aggression level in the game once he obtains nuclear weaponry, if I recall, because of a bug that gives him the development build for Hitler's AI. (the leader of Germany in the 30s and 40s)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2015-03-29 17:28:37 UTC
in civ i ghandi had the lowest aggression at a score of one, but when he got an upgrade that lowered his aggression, it fell below zero and defaulted to a level higher than anyone else, two hundred and fifty-five

similar aggressiveness was deliberately left in later versions because it was funny
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#219 - 2015-03-29 19:30:14 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Sure...so you make folding corps expensive.

Result: Wardecc targets simply dock up and play on alts for a week....they have a chain of alts in 1 man corps with 1 alt in npc corp...they play on whichever 1 man corp alt isnt decced, and if they all get decced switch to the npc alt.

Now what? It's your move, milady.


Your premise is flawed again.
I underlined the false part. CCP has data to prove that the poeple under wardec will stay and play longer because they have something to fight for (their corp).
But to solve the issue of people like you: Make NPC corps a newbie only venture. The first 3 months, you get to be in an NPC corp, after that you have to either join or make your own corp.
Leaving corp will be like transferring poco's, impossible while engaged in war.

D.

Bear


So you make 6 alts in different sham corps and just play one whichever one isnt decced. How have you helped the game?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#220 - 2015-03-29 19:31:05 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
If people leave NPC corps because of the tax, levy an NPC tax on player corporations in inverse proportion to the number of active pve pilots in the corporation, starting at 20% for a one man corporation and hitting 1% at one hundred active members. Definition of active pve pilot pending, wouldn't want it to be easily abusable :P

Yes this is intentionally higher than NPC corporations for one man corps, the reason being that you get to waste wardeccers' time and ISK.


So you just join sham corps of random people with no interaction, and continue to roll corp or play on alt during wardeccs.