EVE General Discussion

The "AFK" cloaker is not earning personal income via that mechanic.

They're two totally different things. But hey, if you want to start that ball rolling, I'll go ahead.

Mining lasers should not auto cycle.




That comparing apples and oranges isn't appropriate, no matter how times people like you try?

Best solution would be a POS module that simply allows probing cloaked targets while you sit uncloaked on grid with it
and with the purposed removal of POS shields from future structures this solution would put equal risk to both sides especially if the device would actually work without it's probes being seen from a d-scan so that the purposed cloaker has to actually work for his meal.
Obviously this device would otherwise work identical to current probing mechanics so you would still need to warp to 0 to actually de-cloak after 100% ping and yes you could still afk-cloak as usual but now with some actual risks from the defenders factored in.

something similar to core/combat scanner probes might work well but instead of scanning they emit a pulse which will decloak anything within the range of the probes (10km range?), instead of hitting scan the function will be activate a pulse once you have placed the probes, an afker would be found eventually and if your at your keyboard, much harder as you can be moving to pings when the probes get close. decloaking someone who is legitimately at the keyboard via a pos mod isnt really very well thought out and doesnt add any effort to gameplay (kinda ruins cloaking as a feature), would this cloak friendly cloakies too?, requiring someone to scan out a cloaked ship i feel would be more suitable.

Or just simply "a cloak scanner probe" that only finds ships that are cloaked, might be used with PvE as well now that we know that there are cloaked structures around.

if the cloaker is not afk he immediately sees the probes on d-scan and drops cloak / runs if not, well ...

Might be even better then a new structure.

People are still too scared like little childreen.

Just rat in pairs.. or BE ON COMMS LIKE YOU ALL SHOULD, and the chance of dieing to a single cloak ship is small. The only real risk is that cloak ships opening a cyno/covert cyno. If the AFK ship is not from a large corp, just put that corp into your watch list and you will know when there is a chance of something like that happening. But if your group is not organized enough and on comms enough to listen to a call and arrive with 2-3 ships on the belt before anyone died, then the problem is on your group. The only ones that might die fast enough are miners, but just change to the tanky version of your mining ship and you will take a while to die as well to a single ship.

Still some risk? YES, but not enourmous risk. When I lived in 0.0 I never stopped my activities because of an AFK cloaky ship, jsut made small adjustments, and NEVER EVER lost a ship.

We could all make alts and go out to nullsec and afk cloak even more then yes?

people will just leave nullsec, rather go to a wormhole if they ever done that, more money and safer

The fact that you admit the behavior would be totally different if they didn't know the other guy was there thanks to local is really pretty damning.

You know, unlike wormholers, who have to act like that all the time.

That alone just goes to show what the true motivation behind all this is, and it's about as selfish as it could be. I can't wait until CCP disappoints you again.

Here, I'll go ahead and counter your emphatic statement with one of my own.

If you are out in space generating income, you should HAVE to act like there is always another player out to get you. There should not be any other option, no matter what part of space you live in.

I don't disagree, and currently there is no other option. The only players that can be undocked and mechanically safe are cloakers. Every other player has to act like there could be an incoming tackler at any minute and take precautions against that.