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Bye Bye AFK Cloaking

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#341 - 2015-04-03 15:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nina Lowel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
All they can drop are blackops and never in numbers that would overwhelm you. The days of local intel look to be over anyway, CCP are activly toying with new tools to replace it.



Hahaha. So delusional.


Feel free to try anything else when a cyno jammer is up.

I cannot talk about current 0.0 but back in 2011 we in DroneLand were VERY AWARE of group of 9-13 people who were dropping solo ratters with up to 12 blackops.... And if you say that your 12 blackops are nothing.... Shocked


They arn't when you dump 12-30 carriers on them.

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You have an entire region of people out flying ratting carriers, all you need is a cyno of your own and some organisation. Responce time is damn near instant.
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How would you do it in your 'cyno jammed system'?

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#342 - 2015-04-04 03:26:00 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I'm no 0.0 expert, but maybe there should be ways to protect backwater systems for mining.

For example, disabling stargates to non-alliance members.


I'm a rabid carebear & even I think that's absurd.
Lienzo
Amanuensis
#343 - 2015-04-04 03:29:14 UTC
I hope this does not become a tool that protects fleets.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#344 - 2015-04-04 07:32:55 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

How would you do it in your 'cyno jammed system'?


You arn't willing to have a standing fleet for protection in the system so here is an alternative to your problem.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#345 - 2015-04-04 07:36:22 UTC
Nina Lowel wrote:




Why should 30 guys be on call 23/7 because of 1 AFK cyno dropper that decides to find something in the few minutes he's active?


Because you are in null sec not highsec.
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#346 - 2015-04-04 07:39:47 UTC
Shoulsn't this thread locked, because of deadhorse?
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Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2015-04-04 13:58:45 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nina Lowel wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
All they can drop are blackops and never in numbers that would overwhelm you. The days of local intel look to be over anyway, CCP are activly toying with new tools to replace it.



Hahaha. So delusional.


Feel free to try anything else when a cyno jammer is up.


When was the last time Bomber Bar blapped a goonie carrier in 15 seconds flat? Oh that's right, yesterday.

Wh space is not only hotdrop proof, the isk in it is vastly higher than any max upgraded -1.0 truesec system (unless you count in moon goo), and there's no sov bills or sov wars.

Why would anyone in their right mind live in a wh system that has gates, hotdrops, sov bills, and far lower isk? In order to convince anyone to live in such a place, rewards will have to be set so high it may as well screw up Eve.



There is no station you can dock up and save your stuff in (even if the station gets flipped you can still get your stuff if you get it back), in WH space if someone gets the jump on you, there is no evac, no insta-undock, no jumpbridge, no cyno... the only option is to pay a HUGE ransom, wait for death, or self destruct everything you own to deny the enemy the full pleasure of crushing you.

Wormholes are not easier than null, if thats your argument against no local, then its a weak one
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#348 - 2015-04-04 14:14:40 UTC
Ren Oren wrote:
There is no station you can dock up and save your stuff in (even if the station gets flipped you can still get your stuff if you get it back), in WH space if someone gets the jump on you, there is no evac, no insta-undock, no jumpbridge, no cyno... the only option is to pay a HUGE ransom, wait for death, or self destruct everything you own to deny the enemy the full pleasure of crushing you.

Wormholes are not easier than null, if thats your argument against no local, then its a weak one
You're only real argument there is lack of stations, which is irrelevant since you simply wouldn't pile trillions of isk into a POS in wormhole if you couldn't defend it. Since there's no cynos in wormhole space it means noone can use force projection to crush you. As wormholes have mass limits you can choose what the max size of ships you want to attack you is when you pick your space, and you can even build ships bigger than that to give you an edge in defence. You can also seal up wormholes leaving just the static(s) if you have any. Importantly, if someone decides to attack your group, they can't just fly to your space. You can't simply route to a wormhole like you can in nullsec. Wormholes also have omnitank PvE, meaning the ships you use can take a beating from all type too, while null PvE is specific resists, meaning that you either have to take more damage from rats to omnitank or risk having a gaping hole in your resists that anyone can predict.

So I can quite comfortably say that null without local would be more risky and less rewarding that WH space.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#349 - 2015-04-04 15:38:06 UTC
Shouldn't afk cloaking be an important part of covering a region so the defenders have to be everywhere to stop sov lasering

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2015-04-04 15:47:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shouldn't afk cloaking be an important part of covering a region so the defenders have to be everywhere to stop sov lasering



Sounds like the Goons have a fun little scheme they are working up. :D Look forward to seeing this if you do it.
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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#351 - 2015-04-04 15:54:26 UTC
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#352 - 2015-04-04 16:36:02 UTC
Chewytowel Haklar wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shouldn't afk cloaking be an important part of covering a region so the defenders have to be everywhere to stop sov lasering

Sounds like the Goons have a fun little scheme they are working up. :D Look forward to seeing this if you do it.

No, I was actually thinking about the strategy I anticipate from massadeath of moa (the ones who will end our 0.0 nightmare)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
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ISD Alliance
#353 - 2015-04-04 16:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
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#354 - 2015-04-04 19:18:18 UTC
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P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#355 - 2015-04-04 19:41:49 UTC
Not sure what's the main issue with a cloaked player being afk. We have afk players in high sec sitting in stations. Should we make a module purchable on the market to blow up their CQ?

Not a player that engages in null sec but to me it seems players want to feel secure in space -- risk v reward?
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#356 - 2015-04-04 20:12:59 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Not sure what's the main issue with a cloaked player being afk. We have afk players in high sec sitting in stations. Should we make a module purchable on the market to blow up their CQ?

Not a player that engages in null sec but to me it seems players want to feel secure in space -- risk v reward?

Why... yes, actually we should!
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#357 - 2015-04-04 20:19:14 UTC
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