EVE General Discussion

Quite honestly that's not all, if you know null well you know exactly where people are doing PvE. The map stats and sov stats give it away more. Following the new changes sov will shrink a bit meaning it will be trivial to find an entire groups area of operation.

The changing of navigation is a benefit in wormholes, it means that if someone wants to hunt you down specifically they need to find an entrance which isn't as simple as setting a route and following it. Navigating out of your wormhole is far easier than navigating into it, not to mention you can flip the static if you want a new location. And don't forget you can restrict what ships that hardcore PvP group can be in by the class of wormhole you live in, plus they have to come in from the wormholes which will collapse behind them if they bring in too much, while you can build whatever you want in the hole.

The guy being at work playing minecraft is why its so dangerous. I'm talking from a position of being one of those cloakers. Not the kind that sits in an t1 frig. I'd sit in a ganky prot for 23 hours a day in a hub system sleeping, at work, doing whatever and every random interval, might be an hour or 2 days I'd check the belts, anoms and kill someone, then go afk for an indefinite period of time.

This tactic gives you the ability to tie up an entire system, the randomness of the attacks defeat CTA, not ratting / mining, not hauling... basically the only option is to a) risk getting randomly ganked 23/7 or leave the entire system.

I was just a single ship and I managed a 22/1 k/d. Imagine what someone with a cyno gen can do with the same tactics... actually you don't have to, check killboards and you'll find the perma-camping cyno alts with 1k/0 losses. There's no counter other than leaving system or setting a trap with your gang waiting anywhere from hours to days without sleep.

and whats the counter to afk cloaking, recons, blops, covert cynos if you remove local?

or do you think its a good idea that people can remain 100% invisible with the option to drop 20k+ dps whenever they want?

isnt the counter to local cynos which can instantly bridge in fleets of ships? its not like cloaky ships are inefficient

Im not asking for its removal.

Both are tied together, remove one and you have to deal with the other.

tbh no need for a timer, ... just a decloak. Genuine covert ops should be able to recloak instantly, if they're actually playing the game. This won't have any impact on a strategic cloaky ... just get safe at the pulse time, then get back.

Which means the cyno ship is not a counter to local.

Irrelevant, the cyno ship was spotted and there are no targets to drop on.

Which brings us nicely back to the fact that AFK cloaking is the only counter to local.

What you have described there is in fact a play style in and of itself. And I have seen some people do just that simply to do just that.

Playing the game without playing the game.

And the goons come in here trying to flip the argument into being about local. It's out of the Alinsky playbook.

Bottom line is that indefinite AFK cloaking is bad for the game. Look at how it gets used and look at how "that one big organization" that can deal with it sells nullsec carebearing to the same kind of people they complain about who go carebearing elsewhere and don't join their large organization. All of the arguments are transparent.

And the very people who have vile hatred of "bot aspirant" players who are AFK suddenly want to defend a playstyle that relies on being AFK.

Are people this blind to their own folly? No wonder the world is going down the toilet.