EVE General Discussion

Yeah, and in both cases it's "take with a grain of salt", but realistically which is more likely to be something CCP pushes. I honestly can't see them nuking null even more my removing local. Forcing players to actually have to be active though, that's something I can see them doing.

Without local people still know where you are. Spies aside, it's not a difficult task to figure out where in k space activity is occuring, especially when there is sov. If null didn't have local, it would effectively be wormhole space that's easy to navigate, with worse income, chance of escalation, no ability to be sealed and no ship class restrictions. Anyone that chose to PvE in null instead of just moving to a wormhole would be on crack. Why would you choose to be at more risk and earn less?

Cant have one without the other. Remove AFK cloaking without dealing with local and you wind up with the perfect intel tool that you cannot counter. If you want AFK cloaking nerfed then you have to deal with the other balance changes that would be needed.

Of course you can have one without the other. Not only did local exist pre AFK cloaking, but AFK cloaking isn't even a counter to local intel. That's something a random came up with a couple of years ago as an excuse for why local should be removed. If anything AFK cloaking is a counter to sov holding alliances who small groups can't fight - something which is already being dealt with. I can't see them puttign all this effort into changing null then going "oh and we're going to take away local too, just so noone bothers using our new system because all other space is better than null now". I doubt they'd put in the local change into null unless it came hand in hand with the removal of jumping and a massive increasing in the amount of rewards in null - two things I can't see happening also.

AFK cloaking is the only way to mess with the intel from local. Yes, they will have to nerf local as there would be zero counters to it if they nerf afk cloacking. CCP are doing a total overhaul of everything including intel gained from local. Rewards are being improved and with the evidence that will live in space with no local its clear to see the argument for keeping local intel chat is a hollow one. I look forwards to posting I told you so in many whine threads from the null bears.

The problem with this line of thinking is that:

A) as it stands right now, anomalies and belts (the main attractions of null sec pve) are warpable (no scanning required)

And

B) only a few of those sites or belts will hold anything worth killing, so the hunter knows that all he has to do is guess right or be swift on the d-scan and boom, kill

And

C) You can make just a good a living elsewhere in the game, so you don't NEED to be in null in the 1st place.

End result, fewer people in null doing anoms (people would do signature sites but those are VERY limited). So this change that has the idea of making more fighting ends up making much less. Meanwhile people like me are making everyone loyalty points and 'blue loot made ships' less and else valuable as we farm that stuff to death.

This discussion demonstrates that people never learn, even from their own history. Here is a perfect historical example of what happens when you make the null sec juice not worth a player's squeeze (and this was a change far below 'removing local' in magnitude.

The incursion communities got real full real fast (as people shift pve alts to high sec) and wait lists looked like depression era bread lines.


The overall point here is that for no local to work in null (and by work I mean "keep null a viable in game ecosystem that pvp and pve players want to play in"), you have to modify damn near everything else, cynos, the way sites work, the ways people keep themselves safe and the relative ease of wealth generation in places outside of null sec). In short, you'd be making a new game.

Where do you get your information about a "tiny group" left in NULL.

if we are talking strictly anecdotal? I can too say I have read many large alliance forums with *Snip* Please refrain from posting racial remarks. ISD Ezwal.
cheering in unison for no local.

Lol, yeah, I'm sure you have, in favour of a POS based mechanic giving almost exactly local but only to defenders. I've read those ones too. Blanket removing local and turning into "unsealable, unrestricted, easily navigated wormholes with force projection" I've not seen that much support for, especially since the combat recons changes.

Of course you shoot your wrecks. Wrecks are instant intel to anyone with a dscan set to 360. They give away the following: Your location, what ship you're flying, what npc's you're killing, whether you're in an anom, combat site or a belt.

Sentries can one shot a wreck, only takes 30 seconds to clear them. Why would you give away all that intel? Want to survive in null as an independent, have to be smarter than the average null bear, a less lazy.



They know someone is ratting or in system with the map but that's all. Its unlikely alliance chat is going to be happy answering 100's of "is anyone in xxx system" every hour.

Null is different from WH's not just in its inclusion of local. The lowest truesec is all soloable, officers included, which is not the case with the highest class wormholes. There's no worrying about the next system to you suddenly changing from happy carebears to hardcore pvpr's (new wormholes) on a regular basis. There's a consistent and reliable navigation system that doesn't change or collapse suddenly.

Come on in and give it a try.

You seem like the kind of person who would whine the moment your rolling capital was caught and felt up by a T3 gang that rolling holes is too much of a risk... but you never know.

Honestly the whining about AFK cloaking is absurd....just deal with it, the guy is probably at work playing minecraft.