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Bye Bye AFK Cloaking

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#181 - 2015-03-26 14:52:54 UTC
While I certainly take advantage of the fun to be had with AFK cloaking, I'm not going to have an episode if CCP comes up with a counter for it. There are plenty of other ways to disrupt systems now and there are many still to be worked out in the future.

The clever people adapt and the entitled cry. So it has always been and so it will always be.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#182 - 2015-03-26 16:28:32 UTC
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#183 - 2015-03-26 16:53:39 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If a highsec miner or hauler can't be AFK, then the nullsec hot dropper can't be AFK either.


The "AFK" cloaker is not earning personal income via that mechanic.

They're two totally different things. But hey, if you want to start that ball rolling, I'll go ahead.

Mining lasers should not auto cycle.


Quote:

It's time for the griefing community to stop trying to gaslight the rest of us on this. Everybody who plays across the spectrum knows exactly what the arguments against a nerf to AFK cloaking really say.


That comparing apples and oranges isn't appropriate, no matter how times people like you try?



Look, I appreciate it that you keep trying, but you are not going to help your own cause with your mindless Church of HTFU dogma.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#184 - 2015-03-26 19:16:40 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cant wait to hear the screams out outrage when CCP changes local chat in null to the same as WH space.


people will just leave nullsec, rather go to a wormhole if they ever done that, more money and safer
+1
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.
Trouble is that it is being used by whole coalitions to hot drop into every system and there is no way of digging that hot dropper out once they take root.

They just sit there, day in and day out and pick off people in low time zones or newbies to Null.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2015-03-26 20:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.


There is no economic impact. Your enemies will just move one system over and farm there. The amount farmed is the same. Just check Dotlan for rat kill data, the total number stays the same.

However, once new sov rolls around, it means you just moved system defense one system over, which is very significant. This is why CCP have to nerf it now of all times - because it's not compatible with new sov.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#186 - 2015-03-26 21:34:13 UTC
The sooner this happens the better.

Afk in any shape and form is cancer and instant intel and afk combined is even more disgusting.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Nina Lowel
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2015-03-26 23:23:51 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
AFK cloaking should be nerfed just as soon as someone can show how an afk cloaker can hurt anyone.



It's not about whether or not they are AFK. It's about not being able to hunt them. People want to hunt them. If they are stationary they should be findable, or even if they are moving while cloaked. Anyone is a system should be find-able given time.
Nina Lowel
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#188 - 2015-03-26 23:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nina Lowel
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.



Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#189 - 2015-03-27 00:37:06 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
There is no economic impact. Your enemies will just move one system over and farm there. .
You haven't seen blanket AFK camping, have you?

We worked out their staging system by backward calculating and basically triangulating where all their cyno alts could reach.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Josef Djugashvilis
#190 - 2015-03-27 07:23:17 UTC
Nina Lowel wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.



Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else.


I have never ever been afk and left a ship in space.

I dock up even for bio breaks.

But I do love scaring the bejasus out of folk with one ship.

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#191 - 2015-03-27 07:40:51 UTC
Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#192 - 2015-03-27 07:54:03 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
I have never ever been afk and left a ship in space.

I dock up even for bio breaks.

But I do love scaring the bejasus out of folk with one ship.
Then that's fine, you'd be unaffected by the change since you would simply move and recloak. The point is that cloaking is good, cloaking is great, but the ability to remain completely safe while AFK in space is not.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#193 - 2015-03-27 07:55:31 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore.
Sure. I mean a lot of things wouldn't be needed since the vast majority of null players would move to wormholes or high sec and null would become a desolate wasteland covered with the tears of players looking for ratters to kill, but sure, AFK cloaking would be gone too.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2015-03-27 08:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Nina Lowel wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.



Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else.


I have never ever been afk and left a ship in space.

I dock up even for bio breaks.

But I do love scaring the bejasus out of folk with one ship.

So you actually have no ideas what these people talk about? And you are making tough comments?
Great forum job Cool

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#195 - 2015-03-27 10:30:42 UTC
So.. this is where we've come to.

It only took 11 years to reward people actually at the keyboard. This change in combination with the other structures promises great things.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#196 - 2015-03-27 10:36:31 UTC
Nina Lowel wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, this thread is still going.

If CCP do nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

If CCP do not nerf cloaking, some folk will complain.

My persoanl preference is to leave cloaking alone as it enables the little folk like my good self to have an economic impact on my enemies.

A sort of David and Goliath scenario.

That so many folk can be so scared of one ship amuses me no end.



Yes, 1 person deserves to be able to shut down a system in low time zones. If you want to fight and you're active and dodging scans, fine, you should have no problem. AFK in space? You're dead like you should be, like everyone else.


The real issue has always been how people claim they should be entitled to an intel network is hostile territory without a credible threat of being rooted out and terminated as you would expect a nations counter-intelligence to do. This game which so claims to incorporate real life meta tactics has always made it mechanically impossible to reinforce at the nuts&bolts level. The notion that knowing about a spy and being unable to police it is credulous at best and I laugh at the abject idiots who defended this outmoded gameplay.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#197 - 2015-03-27 12:23:33 UTC
Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#198 - 2015-03-27 18:07:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement.



Local cuts both ways.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Myrradah
Apotheosis of Caledvwich
#199 - 2015-03-27 22:22:58 UTC
If it truly will only identify AFK cloakers, how do you all think CCP will do that?

My guess is this - a window will appear stating you are being target / hunted by the intelligence array, you will need to move in order to not be detected.

So in other words, if you are truly afk, yup, youll get caught, but if you are at the keyboard you shouldn't be decloaked. Im not afk.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#200 - 2015-03-28 03:39:44 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore.
Recons + D-scan immunity + mobile depot + cloak to evade probes
baltec1 wrote:
Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement.
Worm Holes will be sweet heaven as you can't hot drop there.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.