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Tier 3 BCs - Properly Researched BPOs
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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-03 12:50:34 UTC
What will the price be once the properly researched BPOs are in the manufacturing lines? How long will a BPO take to reach ME/TE perfection?


ty
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-03 13:05:55 UTC
perfection? Not too sure. But going by my fuzzy maths 8-15 ME is good enough. I would personally go to about 9 or 10.

PE for my production tooin 5 is good, 10 drops only 2:14 from 5 and 20 just over 3 mins saved from 5.

Depends how long you want to keep it in the cooker vs how fast you want to start to make ROI on it.

For me, time wise I would go ME 8 and PE 5 for reasonable ROI via copies and actual personal production (make copies, sell copies and use some yourself to make ships to sell, keeping the BPO busy making more copies to sell, or put it back int he oven to cook longer once you have a stockpile of BPC's)
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#3 - 2011-12-03 13:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
ME research - achieving zero waste even just on the highest tier mineral (the one with least units needed) is an exercise in futility on a tier 3 battlecruiser due to the numbers needed (around a thousand or so).
ME:20 is high enough to no longer really give any shred of a damn and make a smidge of profit even in the busiest of trade hubs by the time the market has stabilized at rock-bottom prices.
For right now ? NOT doing any research and just manufacturing "as is" gives you the best bang for buck.

PE research - unlike ME level where rounding kicks in to create a "perfect ME" depending on component count, there is no such thing as "perfect PE" level, unless you mean "level at which you get to see the lowest rounded-down manufacture time value". If you stick that one in a multiple-run manufacture job however, you will see that the unrounded manufacture time value is used and multiplied with number of runs.
Still, anything beyond PE:10 is usually not needed.

At ME:20 and PE:10, on a typical 10% base waste blueprint with loads of components, that translates into 0.476% waste of components and manufacture time compared to ME:99999999 and PE:9999999.
Yes, that's less than half of a percent. You probably make or lose noticeably more than that just from being more or less careful when trading either the components or the final product.
Hardly worth bothering with more than ME:20 and PE:10 some time down the road, right ?

Sure, if you're penny-pinching on some low ingredients count things like, say, T2 components or ammo, it might be borderline worth to go to for that perfect ME of that blueprint, but otherwise, ME:20 is more than enough for most other blueprints in most other situations (side-note : quite a few of those things mentioned have a perfect ME under 20 anyway).

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#4 - 2011-12-03 13:54:48 UTC
For ships, I always go ME 15 PE 10. More than enough.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#5 - 2011-12-03 14:58:05 UTC
Or, you know, if the research time is short enough, and you're going on a small trip or something, you can always stick a blueprint in for a weekend or so, however many levels of either ME or PE that is.

The sad truth is that BPCs with higher numbers sell better, even if they're already above perfect ME and you won't even notice the difference in time in a 30-day manufacture run since a lot of people don't know better than that.

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-12-03 16:02:44 UTC
I'm trying to find out how much the battlecruisers will be going for once the BPOs are all properly researched.

50m? 40m?
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#7 - 2011-12-03 16:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
I'm getting:

50 - Talos
46 - Oracle
45 - Naga
40 - Tornado

approximate total mat cost for ME 15/PE 10.

As far as time to research, if it's like the other BC's then it'll be approximately 45 days to get ME 15. I forget how long for PE 10. 15 days?

So a few months before the prices will shrink down to the cost of mats.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2011-12-03 16:24:46 UTC
You're already getting a 2.5% waste instead of 10% with just ME:3, which is already quite low.
Or 2% waste with ME:4, which is not that much worse compared to the 0.625% of ME:15 (only 1.375% difference).

One ME level in a POS lab takes about 2 days 8 hours 15 minutes if memory serves right.
So that's just a tad bit over 1 week for ME:3 and prices only about 1 mil ISK higher than the ones listed for ME:15.

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