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Ugh, no. Honestly I could not disagree more. This is exactly what we have now and what it feels like is not a town or a home. It feels like a disconnected pile of space junk.

A home is an artistically unified space station structure we can customize. Not a pile of disconnected parts.

Are we still limited to anchoring these things near moons and planets? Or can we anchor them anywhere?

What about so-called deathstars; can we still configure the new structures to require large fleets to be conquered?

If I have materials trapped in nullsec now and the existing outpost is destroyed, then what? Am I then able to recover it without docking (since I cannot dock now because I no longer have access to the station...)?

Some thoughts as a player who intends to permanently stay in an NPC corp and misc comments for the dev team to think about...

The Mobile Depot, and MTU were welcome additions both for their functionality and because all players could use them. The only oversights I've noticed with the MTU is that it can not be configured to have tractor on/off and to set the tractor to retrieve only personal assets when you are in a fleet (or the fleet boss can not set MTU's deployed by fleet members into personal-only mode". The fleet mode is convenient when all fleet members are working on a shared goal, and not convenient in a public ad-hoc fleet.

The new structures could learn from the Orca's Fleet on/off and Corp on/off switches. They make for effective permanent and ad-hoc use with a group of players in the same corp, different corps, or all NPC players and those positive benefits should be considered in the details of the structures.

I've been in my NPC Corp since 2009, my community is other players have been there longer than me (and we all happily chat in corp chat and have for years). I pay the same for my subscription as players who choose to join player corps and would like new content to consider me an equal rather than a 2nd class citizen. It would actually be nice to balance things out and let NPC corp members have some benefits player-corp capsuleers do not have since they have many game functions I do not have access too. Assuming player corps is the only source of community is outdated thinking.

Many Eve players fly multiple toons either as second accounts or as alts in order to specialize those other toons and it would be nice if the new structures expected this common use case and that a single Eve Online Subscriber may have a "group" of toons who work together. An example oversight in the shipping structures: Now with POCO's there's no easy way for your alt to pick up your PI results. This is inconvenient if, for example, you're a wormhole explorer and often 20-30 jumps from your PI system.

In this line of thinking of "consider you and your alts as a group", the current POS feature has no easy mechanism to transfer cargo in and out of a POS from a 2nd account that is in a different corp. You end up using something fleeting up and using an Orca or T2 Industrial Fleet Hanger as an analog to the station "trade" function , or Containers permanently floating inside the POS shield owned by different toons as an analog to contracts - and you use the POS shield as a way to safely endure setting off the "suspect" mechanic when the only efficient way to move cargo between toons is looting cans in space. An example use case is moving 1000 ice blocks from a NPC character to a character with access to a POS for refining purposes.

It would be nice if all new structures better considered this use case as a built-in (rather than optional) feature and worked as well as functions like Station Trading, Give Money, Courier & Item Exchange Contracts allow moving ISK and Assets between your toons via NPC stations.

Small POS'es are currently used in a similar way to deployables (brought by someone in your ad-hoc group or an alt in a 1-man player corp), for example to be able to temporarily provide compression service or a place to park a fleet booster, when mining away from your home system so the Ore can be trucked back to your home system using an Industrial instead of a Freighter. The new structures plan should have a successor to the Small POS and expect their both as an entry into structures at a 'personal' cost level, and their use in the "mobile" or short-term deployment case (< 1 week). Now it looks like the structures plan only has a successor to the Large POS.

As others have noted - support for w-space and shattered w-space should be explicitly considered and capability specified rather than overlooked.

If a Rigs mechanism is being used you don't want to have to destroy your rigs every time you scoop and move your mobile structure. Some deployables (like the Enormous Freight Container) can be deployed in a small ship yet need a Freighter to retrieve. There is no function in space to package it for transport. How the new structures work in this case should be purposefully thought through and designed since ships like freighters have a long training investment.

Some of the requests in the thread for more flexibility could be solved by specifying the # of slots in a deployable and letting the player choose the layout of High / Med / Low etc... (and change it after deployment in space). The current POS mechanic with it's offline/online capability is extremely flexible and that flexibility is not obviously preserved in the new structures proposal. Some players use POS like the new T3 Destroyers, switching between peacetime operations with defenses on standby and other functions fully active and combat operations when offense & or defense are prioritized.

Compression is not mentioned in the presentations and is very valuable to miners (especially ice miners).

It would be convenient if the new player structures could be a contract destination for courier contracts. This feature is missed about POS'es.

It would be nice if the new structures had a role that could add fuel but not remove it which could be permanently or temporarily assigned. That would facilitate helping maintain structures while new corp members gain trust of the POS owner.

Easier abandoned structures cleanup / removal is a natural extension of a salvaging career for a character with senior salvaging skills.

Can a POS and successor starbase be anchored on the same grid if they are somehow designated as successors during the transition period?

The material mentioned structure profiles. It would be nice if these could be shared, imported, exported like ship fits.

Is remote management of structures range eve-wide, region-limited?

But...D-scan IS people being active. You have to go into the System, with your SHIP, to D-scan. Additionally, unlike scan probes which are based on your character's skill qued skills, D-scan is an actual PLAYER skill. You have to think a little bit to use it, both in how you move and the direction and range you employ.

It's one of the few actual skills I've found in Eve (that is, player skill, not character skill.) Hacking/Archeology is luck based and dependent on the character skill, and probing is vaguely a mathematic inevitability - either you succeed or fail at some point based on character trained skills. The only change the system needs is to ping when a person uses it while cloaked so that if a cloaky scout doesn't keep moving, watchful enemies could scan him down.

That is, in the real world, subs have active and passive methods of detecting potential enemies. They try not to use active pinging unless they have to because watchful enemies can get their location if they do so. D-scan should function similarly (and CCP could introduce a skill book reducing that ping or some such - since they like players to have to wait hours for their characters to learn things before being able to efficiently employ them. :p)

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Also, will keep reading, but it seems I'm mostly alone in my concern about lack of granularity or nice shields or being able to array your POS town to your liking. Guess I'll have to get my enjoyment before the system changes and then never use them again... -sadface-

CCP, I think it's time people in player-created corps are given the ability to launch towers for themselves without the need for config roles. Leave the corp roles for corporate launched towers. As it stands, you need to commit to a corp for a very long time in order to get them to trust you with roles and it still isn't guaranteed at the end of the day. I find it really limiting in terms of gameplay because it forces me to either wait until directors are online or leave the corp to create mine, in order to access arrays, labs and reactors.
Obviously, npc corpers shouldn't be granted such a priviledge and wardecking the owners corp should still render the structure vulnerable.

Jazz Improv on new feature ideas...

NEW FUNCTIONALITY IDEAS

The observatory array is interesting and a good benefit for paying for fuel would be the ability to "radio" your structure and have it run DSCAN or Probe Scanner functions when you are out of system or have it radio you. Chat is global to eve, why not have communications with your structure be so? You could remotely see if a hostile fleet was nearby or if anomolies you were waiting for had spawned. It could also replace the tedious "click dscan", "click again...' mechanic with a proximity alarm function that alerts you when conditions you specify are met. Examples: Pilot with terrible standing in dscan range. Any pilot in dscan range. Jaspet anomaly spawned in system.

The new structures could have some passive income generating entertainment functions (to defer their costs like POCO's provide a POCO owner) that we see in NPC mission stations like the Damsel mission that other than being targets to be blown up are not part of the fun of gameplay. Players now through out-of game mechanisms offer entertainment services like gambling. The new structures could have:. Casino. Lottery. Bar/ Restaurant (sit, chat look out the window at space). Rent storage. Rent ship hanger space. it could also have a mechanism to facilitate commerce between high-skill industry characters (like refiners, ship builders, blueprint inventors or researchers) who exchange ISK for services derived from their specialized skills. Want max refining? Here's who you can pay to do that, where, and what they charge.

There could be an browsable and searchable analog to "fleet finder" or "agent finder" for player stations. Station owners or guest entrepreneurs could post an advert to attract capsuleers to their station and advertise available options. Adverts could have text and a JPG and public structures could have a brand/logo like corps not just a name. Then players could have individual public structures, or an analog to franchises (think Starbucks Coffee) with branch offices around new eden.

Structures that offer public services could have an analog to the "loyalty card" which gives discount to capsuleers for referring new customers or volume discounts for heavy users of paid services. There could also be an analog to the "coupon" to attract new customers.

There should be some way to share structure resources with "friends" whether players, corps or alliances, and to choose to not share the structure's resources with others (for example previous attackers). If standings are used, the structure probably needs something like it's own address book (like corps have) and this needs an import/export/share mechanism which is now sorely lacking from the player address book. Every club & bar has a bouncer, and public structures need the analog.

The described mechanic where structures have no AI defenses, yet the owner could be far across Eve, almost necessitates a variant on the jump clone feature where you can dock up and you (or your team) can jump into your structure to defend it when attacked rather than risk loosing it while you slowboat 30 or 50 jumps across New Eden. If this approach is taken, the relationship of this to the jump clone cooldown timer needs specification and discussion. What you don't want is players "chained" to their structures and unable to do gameplay like exploration that may lead them far from home.

If there is no POS shield in the new plan perhaps a structure with an appropriately skilled toon onboard becomes an alternate to a command ship (Orca for mining, T3 or other command ship for other boots) for originating fleet boosts in a system? There would need to be some benefit for giving up the mobility of being in a command ship and giving up being on a platform that can not run out of fuel.

The presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_c2cSsVZj4

These announcements really got me excited, that is until he said basically "can be build,manufactured and deployed in empire"

Now unless you are going to be really shaking up how empire works, just why?

These structures when i seen them filled me with the need to go to null sec an become part of something, now saying that im back to, meh why bother.

These structures, for me, could have/should have, been the carrot on the end of the stick to get ppl to move there an participate, become part of something bigger sort of thing.

Now if your getting rid of empire (which i doubt) i understand, but if not i have to question the why of allowing all this in hi-sec.

Sorry for being a downer an probably missing something so damn obvious but well i just do not understand why hi-sec, as it is, needs these structures or even should be able to construct them in the first place, these should be exclusive to null/wh space an if you want to participate in the construction of them, well then move there an get out of hi-sec.

Just the thoughts of some not so understanding random carebear tbh

Because high sec corps need to have assets worth fighting over also.
If only Null corps can build these things, then the game will continue as it is.

High Sec is NOT newbie space, it is a different play style, and that play style is equally as deserving of having large assets in space which are worth fighting for or attacking someone over.

A large tower BPO at ME 10% is not worth 500m. I seem to recall it taking 142 days for the last +1 too, thanks to Crius.


I know. I lost billions of ISK of BPO value, and it cost me many billions of ISK to recover [e.g. 3.5b for my Rorqual BPO +1 ME, because it was unlucky enough to not meet the conversion threshold].

Don't get me started on what I invested, time and ISK, to research my IHUB and SSAA BPOs.