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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2015-04-13 17:08:01 UTC
This thread has turned to Nytol.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#82 - 2015-04-13 17:50:56 UTC
Fzhal wrote:
Khorvek, your argument seems to be the equivalent of one of the American Republican party's main assertions about poor people, "If the poor don't want to stay poor, then they should just work harder (or smarter)." (Then insert a line saying they should just do one simple thing.) As it turns out though, working harder does very little (except lose fingers more quickly) and becoming educated to a point where you understand how to best make use of the (job or trading) market's intricacies is costly and unguided so that your goal (understanding how to maximize ISK/hour) may not match up to the educational path you follow to look for answers. Sitting from where you are, with all your experience, the solutions seem obvious and simple. Your line of reasoning essentially stops at "If they want to stop being poor, then they should just stop doing things in a way that keep them poor." While that is true at a high level, it is also so terribly wrong when you look at the details.

If everything we know about human psychology, sociology, and free markets says that the components of your equation won't happen, we have no reason to take you seriously.

So the problem of poor wages is an endlessly abundant supply of poor people?
Fzhal
#83 - 2015-04-13 18:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fzhal
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
So the problem of poor wages is an endlessly abundant supply of poorly educated people?

Fixed it for you. With that out of the way, the rest of the explanation will hopefully come more easily.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#84 - 2015-04-13 18:09:59 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
This thread has turned to Nytol.


The Ineffable Market Forces - rekkin' lives since Time began. Big smile

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Garr Khan
Grey Area Operations
#85 - 2015-04-14 22:24:07 UTC
Oh man... so much for that Mega/Zyd speculation... glad I saw the devblog quick and was able to dump to sells.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#86 - 2015-04-14 22:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
New information from CCP Fozzie - [April] Ore, Mineral and Nullsec Mining Anomaly Revamp

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=418719&find=unread

Quote:
Arkonor:
Tritanium: 22000
Mexallon: 2500
Megacyte: 320

Bistot:
Pyerite: 12000
Zydrine: 450
Megacyte: 100

Crokite:
Tritanium: 21000
Nocxium: 760
Zydrine: 135


To people who had rushed to mine Crokite this month - my condolences. Blink

Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting.

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Adunh Slavy
#87 - 2015-04-15 00:23:33 UTC
GankYou wrote:


Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting.


Not many mined low sec when the prices were at peak. Many of the best out of the way systems are stop overs for caps now too, which was not the case way back. I doubt we'll see a huge increase in low sec mining. Certainly not enough to cover an almost 100% increase in build requirements.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2015-04-15 06:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Adunh Slavy wrote:
GankYou wrote:


Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting.


Not many mined low sec when the prices were at peak. Many of the best out of the way systems are stop overs for caps now too, which was not the case way back. I doubt we'll see a huge increase in low sec mining. Certainly not enough to cover an almost 100% increase in build requirements.


I'm not so sure. There are several lowsec systems/pockets surrounded by highsec and don't forget all the godforsaken lowsec systems at the end of world in Genesis, Khanid, Kador, Kor-Arzor, Molden Heath, Derelik etc. more or less all lowsec without FW. There are systems with less than 25jumps per day.

The risks in that systems aren't higher than being ganked in highsec. Question will be how much more profit you can get and of course finding some miners with courage ;)


As example look at the Genesis map:
3x lowsec systems surrounded by highsec: Beke, Vecamia, Ahbazon
2x lowsec pockets surrounded by highsec: Mih and Ashela constellation

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2015-04-15 06:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ren Oren
Garr Khan wrote:
Oh man... so much for that Mega/Zyd speculation... glad I saw the devblog quick and was able to dump to sells.



Well its still up and showing strength, double consumption is pretty big, however in terms of isk per hour, it may not be enough to make people turn their weapons into plows.

Which means demand goes up, while supply from nullsec (the targeted group) largely stays largely the same. $$$$$$$

Edit: Unless I'm missing something
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#90 - 2015-04-15 12:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Jori McKie wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
GankYou wrote:


Lowsec ores are getting a 87-166% Zydrine content increase. Interesting.


Not many mined low sec when the prices were at peak. Many of the best out of the way systems are stop overs for caps now too, which was not the case way back. I doubt we'll see a huge increase in low sec mining. Certainly not enough to cover an almost 100% increase in build requirements.


I'm not so sure. There are several lowsec systems/pockets surrounded by highsec and don't forget all the godforsaken lowsec systems at the end of world in Genesis, Khanid, Kador, Kor-Arzor, Molden Heath, Derelik etc. more or less all lowsec without FW. There are systems with less than 25jumps per day.

The risks in that systems aren't higher than being ganked in highsec. Question will be how much more profit you can get and of course finding some miners with courage ;)


As example look at the Genesis map:
3x lowsec systems surrounded by highsec: Beke, Vecamia, Ahbazon
2x lowsec pockets surrounded by highsec: Mih and Ashela constellation


Yes. Smile

I've met a few successful Lowsecks mining corporations around Khanid, Tash-Murkon and Genesis areas. With Rorquals!

This could get interesting, as bigger entities move into LS, following their inability to retain their empires in FozzieSov. Smile

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#91 - 2015-04-17 14:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
The lady with a sell order of 40.8 mln units of Zyd priced at 1510 p/u will have to update her order much more often. Blink

Quiet month ahead.

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Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2015-04-18 16:36:25 UTC
And with that kids, what have we learned

Buy the rumor, sell the news
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2015-04-18 16:38:33 UTC
GankYou wrote:
The lady with a sell order of 40.8 mln units of Zyd priced at 1510 p/u will have to update her order much more often. Blink

Quiet month ahead.


someone put up a single sell order for 40.8 mill zydrine in a single order???
you are kidding??
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#94 - 2015-04-18 17:58:59 UTC
What can I say, inexperienced speculators with double digit returns in 15 minutes in their eyes. vOv

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2015-04-18 18:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
I don`'t know which scares me the most. That they would try and sell it in a single order, mind boggles. Or how someone silly enough to try and sell it all in a single order has that much in the first place.
Either way that's seriously messed up.
I only sold a few million of meg and zyd, and even that amount I broke up quite a lot.

That's the market equivalent of an ALOD for me, 40 mill zydrine in a single sell.
Who's the seller?
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2015-04-18 18:20:06 UTC
I just logged on my Jita alt to take a look.
There are a few 10's of million zydrine sell orders up. Has the bubble started to burst?
All those with dollars signs in their eyes realising they have to actually sell the stuff to make the profit, or they will actually lose money.
There is a very real danger of this crashing if "investors" realise all they have is a large pile of zydrine not ISK right now and it starts becoming difficult to cash out their tulips. Bubble = about to pop?

and if zydrine goes, megacyte will be dragged right along behind it as "investors" try and avoid the same fate twice.
Adunh Slavy
#97 - 2015-04-18 21:37:57 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:

There are a few 10's of million zydrine sell orders up. Has the bubble started to burst?


The bubble is the over supply. It'll take time to consume. There is enough over supply to send prices down where they were. If it happens, buy. If you can afford it, hold for the long sell.

If everyone panics and sells, that would be a good thing for me, so by all means, panic.

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2015-04-18 22:32:33 UTC
I'm already all out. I intend to get back in after the panic cascade has squeezed every last broken tear out of the market.
Someone has to pay for my profit.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#99 - 2015-04-18 22:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
virm pasuul wrote:
I just logged on my Jita alt to take a look.
There are a few 10's of million zydrine sell orders up. Has the bubble started to burst?
All those with dollars signs in their eyes realising they have to actually sell the stuff to make the profit, or they will actually lose money.


At least it is not a leveraged CFD, where a 2% move can wipe you out. Blink They might exit the trade at break-even in a month, or three.

Another "investor" has a 51 mil units of Zyd spread out across 5 sell orders in the 1334-1580 range right now. Pirate

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2015-04-19 00:28:16 UTC
If they are competing to exit, the poop has already hit the fan.