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Megacyte and Zydrine prices

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NFain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-03-26 22:19:10 UTC
Speculation Forecast... UP UP AND AWAY! More at 11.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#22 - 2015-03-27 03:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#23 - 2015-03-28 01:05:07 UTC
Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-03-29 22:50:21 UTC
I thought it was a buy the rumor, sell the news, but apparently not, price is strong and I have a ton of the stuff @ 300 and 600 entries

Making bank
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2015-03-30 03:30:06 UTC
Basically, CCP had created a system that was providing a gigantic surplus of zyd and mega based on the ores available in nullsec. Zyd and Mega were so oversupplied that it caused prices to plummet, and people in null that would be mining ore switched to ice, in many cases. Any change that CCP makes would have to decrease the supply and/or increase the demand of zyd and mega in order to not completely destroy mining in null.

The question isn't whether or not zyd and mega will continue to increase in price- the question is how long will the stockpiles last until we see the true equilibrium post change. If you're looking for long term returns that you can sit on, zyd and mega are the place to find it.

Unless you had a stockpile or picked up a ton at 420/740 (heh) then this won't be a place to make huge profits quickly. I'm bummed that I didn't stock up more at the insanely low prices that they were at- I wasn't actually expecting them to make this change so quickly.
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-04-01 20:47:44 UTC
Went up, again Shocked
Hurry, sell everything nao Twisted
Profit Roll
Current Habit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-04-01 21:21:14 UTC
Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-04-01 21:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ren Oren
Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:
Went up, again Shocked
Hurry, sell everything nao Twisted
Profit Roll


Nope buying dips and holding, and selling a small batch during small spikes, but this graph has me loving it

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=39#supply

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=39#history
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#29 - 2015-04-01 21:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Sell... Buy Capital Ships?! Sell... Buy... Zydrine?! Sell... Buy... Hold... Mexallon?! Sell... Buy... ANYTHING?!

Too many choises. X

I've been to Catch and Stain recently - in my Yacht, of course. Cool The mineral prices in Stain region track Empire's pretty well, but the ones in sovereign outposts and stations in Catch are lagging. Volume in this sov space is very thin, however.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#30 - 2015-04-01 23:36:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Oh, you mean this thread gets attention now, because Zyd is at 1,150 ISK p/u and Megacyte 1.6k? Smile

http://i.imgur.com/88HDwPP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fvHSDO2.jpg

My momma always said: Keep Zyd to Mega ratio at 3.

CCP Fozzie comments today on o7 Show, can be found at 21:30 - http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/popout?videoId=a644494144

CCP Fozzie wrote:
So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price. We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building.

...

We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks.



Continued,

CCP Fozzie wrote:
We need to actually catch up some of the industry in Eve to match the original goals for the consumption of minerals - one of the things that has been slowing down in nullsecks mining, is that the consumption of high ends - Megacyte and Zydrine wasn't as high as originally intended to be relative to everything else.

So, actually in our end of APRIL patch we are going to be, with a couple of small exceptions, doubling the usage of Megacyte and Zydrine in every blueprint in the game that has any of those.


I did offer a One-time issue Analysis Paper for investors for a mere 450 mln ISK back on 21st of March.


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Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2015-04-02 04:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ren Oren
GankYou wrote:
Oh, you mean this thread gets attention now, because Zyd is at 1,150 ISK p/u and Megacyte 1.6k? Smile

http://i.imgur.com/88HDwPP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fvHSDO2.jpg

My momma always said: Keep Zyd to Mega ratio at 3.

CCP Fozzie comments today on o7 Show, can be found at 21:30 - http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/popout?videoId=a644494144

CCP Fozzie wrote:
So it's more profitable... so that you don't need to ship in lowends, and you won't have such access of high ends, that drop the price. We want to give a similar ratio of minerals in nullsec to what you would use to do all the building.

...

We're updating composition ratio of existing ABC ores and every existing ore in nullsecks.


Continued,

CCP Fozzie wrote:
We need to actually catch up some of the industry in Eve to match the original goals for the consumption of minerals - one of the things that has been slowing down in nullsecks mining, is that the consumption of high ends - Megacyte and Zydrine wasn't as high as originally intended to be relative to everything else.

So, actually in our end of APRIL patch we are going to be, with a couple of small exceptions, doubling the usage of Megacyte and Zydrine in every blueprint in the game that has any of those.


I did offer a One-time issue Analysis Paper for investors for a mere 450 mln ISK back on 21st of March.




Sure that wasn't a April Fools joke, lol

Wow, so basically the same thing that happened to T3 subs, lovely :)
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#32 - 2015-04-02 04:58:42 UTC
It was hinted at during the March 2015 Fanfest, that some minerals would get increased consumption.

I've made a similar post with an addendum in my March thread in the Science & Industry section - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5634188#post5634188

Blink
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-04-02 06:06:42 UTC
Do you guys remember when high end mineral prices were 4000 Megacyte and 1600 for Zydrine? Not that someone wasn't complaining back then, as always:

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1039499
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#34 - 2015-04-02 06:09:12 UTC
Everything is returning to equilibrium, as it should be - So It Will Be.

Told you not to go against markets at cyclical inflection points. Smile

Anyone have any Mexallon lying around? Oh...

P.S. Don't be this guy - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=416309&find=unread Everything had been crystal-clear for the people with the eyes to see, as documented by yours truly. Blink
Faridah
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2015-04-02 08:22:51 UTC
History have shown CCP tend to overshoot when it comes to 'minor adjustments'
Megacyte and Zydrine prices will also overshoot, but not until some time after the changes.

Also, do some excel PvP on the mods that use those minerals. Some of them are still priced fairly low, like cynos.

Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-04-02 10:47:09 UTC
Why make the nullsec ore changes AND the blueprint changes at the same time? Isn't there a new release cycle that allows CCP to make smaller changes and make further changes as needed.

But really I expect these changes are going to negatively hit lowsec worse than highsec. I guess time will tell.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-04-02 11:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ergherhdfgh
What I don't understand is that if you can get everything that you need to build from null sec ores then high and low sec ores should become useless. If you mine null sec ores to get the high end minerals and get a whole bunch of low end mins with them and move the high end ores to high sec then you'll have ass tons of low ends laying around that no one will have use for.

This whole thing just does not sound like it was thought out well.

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#38 - 2015-04-02 11:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Theo Sotken wrote:

But really I expect these changes are going to negatively hit lowsec worse than highsec. I guess time will tell.


Please elaborate.

You know, people used to actually mine in lowsec, when it was profitable to do so. Smile I like it when people say dramatic things, which will turn out to be exactly the 100% opposite.

ergherhdfghIf wrote:
If you mine null sec ores to get the high end minerals and get a whole bunch of low end mins with them and move the high end ores to high sec then you'll have ass tons of low ends laying around that no one will have use for.


No, the way I understand it: it isn't a Superock that you will be mining in null, I think the composition ratios of the number of Veld/Scord/ETC/ABC asteroids per field/anomaly and their sizes/volumes are getting adjusted, so that if you want to, you can build a production base on site with low(mid-)end minerals no longer being a disastrous bottleneck that they currently are. Smile

All is in flux, however, perhaps a new need will arise for something a little different - Isogen? Blink Someone is already figuring out what the bottlenecks might become, based on future commodity/ship/structure/whatever use and their projected growth rates. Good fortune to them. Blink

Gotta love this table - https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ore_values?_ga=1.255394952.1883539901.1421897621

Just a side note along with it: An unresearched Oracle attack battlecruiser BPO current bill of materials is the following:

5,823,060 x Tritanium
1,245,336 x Pyerite
312,647 x Mexallon
50,749 x Isogen
4,923 x Zydrine
1,950 x Megacyte

Zydrine and Megacyte are indeed a very small ratio of the rest, and it was somewhat fine, although very volatile, when Zyd and Megacyte were at 3600 ISK p/u and 5400 ISK p/u, respectively.

ergherhdfgh wrote:
What I don't understand is that if you can get everything that you need to build from null sec ores then high and low sec ores should become useless.

...

This whole thing just does not sound like it was thought out well.


Less lowend ore export to nullsec to support unrealistic capital blobs, which are getting nerfed into Oblivion in one form or another, means ->>> More base minerals is reserved for Empire ->>> Cheaper ships & modules ->>> More PvP ->>> More demand ->>> Self-perpetuating cycle.

All of this equals a vibrant Lowsec and dynamic multi-corp war-dec conflicts in Highsec - just as we used to have some 5 years ago, when Incursionfarming, mining Pyerite, Mexallon and minerbumping™ werent the only viable forms of entertainment in the most secure regions of space. Roll

New Eden is about to get a lot healthier with the coming changes. Blink

P.S. Nullsec imports Empire's supply of implants, faction ammo, anything from the LP stores, most mid-tier Deadspace modules, ALL Navy/Fleet/Federation frigates, cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships, along with most Pirate faction frigates and cruisers.
Cpt Bunny
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2015-04-04 03:30:12 UTC
In a related Story, Market Traders are wondering why the price Of Nocx has been dropping in the last two days, correcting itself from an artificial high or is there more to it?
Adunh Slavy
#40 - 2015-04-04 05:00:47 UTC
GankYou wrote:

Zydrine and Megacyte are indeed a very small ratio of the rest, and it was somewhat fine, although very volatile, when Zyd and Megacyte were at 3600 ISK p/u and 5400 ISK p/u, respectively.



That was a long time ago, and were the hoped targets when drone poop was removed.

This time the market reaction has been a bit different, and more volatile. Spikes to 2K were slower to come, and supply to meet those spikes was also slower. The past two days have seen swings of ~1000 ISK in the secondary hubs, that pace was not observed last time.

The cause, who is to say, but interesting.

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