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Limiting the number of Titans and Super Carriers

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#1 - 2015-03-19 04:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Each one needs a system dedicated to run it.
No system, no ship bonuses and no bridging.

Current ones become limited edition, they don't need systems but will people want to risk them or keep them as aces?

Just a quick sleep deprived idea.

.... and yes, people with roles could pull the plug on a capital fleet mid-fight. Twisted
It also means that some enties are tied to having SOV instead of running around beating up soft targets all willy-nilly.

Edit: With some sleep I realised, yes, Low Sec can't rise up to fight Null and that there are too many Null Sec systems.
  • So, some sort of war mechanic for the ability to dedicate Low Sec resources to capitals.
  • Either one super carrier / Titan OR three regular capitals, including dreads, carriers, rorquals and jump freighters.


For those that haven't realised what I am driving at is, I am trying to talk of ways to make supers and Titans restricted in number so they don't have to get this heavy nerf.

I find the entire SOV changes that are coming silly.

P.S. Could you guys try and add to ideas? I am a hardened forum user but there are newbies that come here with their dreams and some of you guys crush them without a single encouraging word.

Further on Low Sec and making it viable.

1) "War Frontier" systems for that minority of players that are in a niche now and cater for them.
2) Mining anomolies that need scanning.
3) Spodumain in those anomolies so Low Sec can have some Megacyte
4) NPCs that respond if you are attacked and in high standing with the system owning corporation
- i) The NPCs will do some repairing and try fight, they are destructable
- II) NPCs calculate off attackers, ship types, fleets and send help that buys a little time but can not swing the fight in defender's favour.
5) High favour with owning corp reduces security hits when attacking (defending your home against intruders)

Essentially, the point would be for there to be somewhere that High Sec people can go and grow their alliances, build capital ships and then challenge Null Sec.

Instead of being bottled up in High Sec

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2015-03-19 04:49:45 UTC
I like the idea that people without sov will be straight up unable to get the boosts.

It's like the whole offgrid boosts thing, but the other side literally cannot get it... awesome

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2015-03-19 04:52:25 UTC
Can you park it at least?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Madd Adda
#4 - 2015-03-19 05:33:44 UTC
But how is this fair to the new up and comers that want to get into the pilot's seat of a new coffin ship titan/supers?

Carebear extraordinaire

Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#5 - 2015-03-19 06:13:26 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Each one needs a system dedicated to run it.
No system, no ship bonuses and no bridging.

And no lowsec.

You best not make any more sleep deprived ideas.
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#6 - 2015-03-19 07:02:48 UTC
Why?

With the new Sov system there production may drop.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-03-19 07:45:36 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Each one needs a system dedicated to run it.
No system, no ship bonuses and no bridging.

Current ones become limited edition, they don't need systems but will people want to risk them or keep them as aces?

Just a quick sleep deprived idea.

.... and yes, people with roles could pull the plug on a capital fleet mid-fight. Twisted
It also means that some enties are tied to having SOV instead of running around beating up soft targets all willy-nilly.


And another post of a guy who´s jealous that other player have bigger ships than him.

-1 Titans/supers are getting nerved very hard without adding a role for them I think they need a role before thinking about limiting them
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#8 - 2015-03-19 08:07:38 UTC
This sounds hilariously dumb to me...

Anything that makes the hole between bigboyblocks and the little guys should be slapped until the dumb go away...
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#9 - 2015-03-19 08:28:54 UTC
Get more sleep.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#10 - 2015-03-19 14:30:55 UTC
I agree on they need a limit to that every pilot in the blocs can get a supper simply because the alliance makes trillions why rent is minimal, how ever limiting it to sov so that a group that's been in empire and low can get some people in to supers so they can stage an attack against null entities, they should be allowed to.

if it was limited to corps, alliance would make other corps just to hold numbers of supers.
also if it was limited to the numbers in game, an alliance would go all out to exterminate an enemies supers and replace it with their own.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Jenshae Chiroptera
#11 - 2015-03-19 14:35:34 UTC
OP updated.

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Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#12 - 2015-03-19 15:12:25 UTC
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Each one needs a system dedicated to run it.
No system, no ship bonuses and no bridging.

Current ones become limited edition, they don't need systems but will people want to risk them or keep them as aces?

Just a quick sleep deprived idea.

.... and yes, people with roles could pull the plug on a capital fleet mid-fight. Twisted
It also means that some enties are tied to having SOV instead of running around beating up soft targets all willy-nilly.


And another post of a guy who´s jealous that other player have bigger ships than him.

-1 Titans/supers are getting nerved very hard without adding a role for them I think they need a role before thinking about limiting them


I don´t think he would be jealous.

There will always be hardcore pvp WH, 0.0, low-sec (even high-sec) corps / alliances that don´t have sov that will take ordinary ships and do amazing things. And then there are identities in EVE that are using Titans / Super Carriers in numbers that I don´t think any Dev would have imagined in there wildest darkest dreams when they where though up and designed.

So rather than making SOV system that is based on faction warfare to make Titans / Super Carriers surplus to requirements and obsolete. There would be system that would limit the number of Titans / Super´s allowed in each system / fleet / constellation, and how / why you get bonuses.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#13 - 2015-03-19 15:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Gremoxx wrote:
I don´t think he would be jealous.

There will always be hardcore pvp WH, 0.0, low-sec (even high-sec) corps / alliances that don´t have sov that will take ordinary ships and do amazing things. And then there are identities in EVE that are using Titans / Super Carriers in numbers that I don´t think any Dev would have imagined in there wildest darkest dreams when they where though up and designed.

So rather than making SOV system that is based on faction warfare to make Titans / Super Carriers surplus to requirements and obsolete. There would be system that would limit the number of Titans / Super´s allowed in each system / fleet / constellation, and how / why you get bonuses.
We could even consider tethering Titans and Supers, so they can't use their ship bonuses more than X# of light years from their home system and each connected system has to be for regular capitals. (So if you have a line of systems, only ever second one can be a super or Titan one)

This could make it interesting, so only a third or half of NC. systems could work against that new free state because the rest would be out of range.
Meaning that the wider your sprawl the more you stretch out your capital fleet and how they can support each other.

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Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-03-19 16:54:18 UTC
Quote:
Either one super carrier / Titan OR three regular capitals, including dreads, carriers, rorquals and jump freighters.

i will tell you how it looks like when a jita haul is comming to Ya0: i see 10-13jump freighters jumping to a cyno...

this limitation would killmost of nullsec industry and trade, why not limit hisec gates to allow 1 only ship every minute?

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#15 - 2015-03-19 17:54:16 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
Quote:
Either one super carrier / Titan OR three regular capitals, including dreads, carriers, rorquals and jump freighters.

i will tell you how it looks like when a jita haul is comming to Ya0: i see 10-13jump freighters jumping to a cyno...

this limitation would killmost of nullsec industry and trade, why not limit hisec gates to allow 1 only ship every minute?
That is part of the cost / benefit in this.
Also would push Null into having more local markets.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-03-19 20:43:03 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Garnoo wrote:
Quote:
Either one super carrier / Titan OR three regular capitals, including dreads, carriers, rorquals and jump freighters.

i will tell you how it looks like when a jita haul is comming to Ya0: i see 10-13jump freighters jumping to a cyno...

this limitation would killmost of nullsec industry and trade, why not limit hisec gates to allow 1 only ship every minute?
That is part of the cost / benefit in this.
Also would push Null into having more local markets.



Local markets that don't actually have anything for sale you mean?

This is an awful, AWFUL idea. One of the worst I have seen this week.

No, the big blocks should NOT be the only people allowed to even think about owning supers. And restrictions on regular caps are just insane.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#17 - 2015-03-20 00:55:26 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
No, the big blocks should NOT be the only people allowed to even think about owning supers. And restrictions on regular caps are just insane.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
  • So, some sort of war mechanic for the ability to dedicate Low Sec resources to capitals.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2015-03-20 01:25:37 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
No, the big blocks should NOT be the only people allowed to even think about owning supers. And restrictions on regular caps are just insane.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
  • So, some sort of war mechanic for the ability to dedicate Low Sec resources to capitals.



Which will promptly be occupied by the afore-mentioned big blocks.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#19 - 2015-03-20 01:32:27 UTC
I know I say this a lot, but it's hard to conceive a worse idea than this.

But every time, the OP manages to dig deeper.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#20 - 2015-03-20 01:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Danika Princip wrote:
Which will promptly be occupied by the afore-mentioned big blocks.
Oddly enough Null Sec players aren't keen on Low Sec and are really, really uncomfortable with worm holes.

P.S. I think Low Sec would need a lot more to make it a viable area of our galaxy.

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