EVE General Discussion

0. Good
1. Agree - T3 destroyers should never have been made, never mind so hilariously broken.
2. Agree - although there are was to tweak what we have now.
3. Temporary fighting then empty spaces.
4. Possibly. Also allow coalitions to take less space. Heard some vague mentions of team sites coming.

Don't say EVE is dying, people get excited about that.

1. There are already ships that outrun missiles before T3's exist.
2. CCP listening to the Grr Goon crowd that wants SOV without the effort of actually taking and maintaining it.
3. Goonswarm Federation_1, Goonswarm Federation_2, Goonswarm Federation_3, Goonswarm_Federation_4 all under holding corps that is owned by The Mittani. Will you look at that then.
4. More like the Grr nullsec cartel Moon overlords will just make another OTEC treaty regarding the new mechanic and temp blue each other if someone swipes the new moon to take it for themselves.

We do this, it's why we're a coalition.


Yeah sometimes when people are "third partying" to help you they may run off to save their renters, or perhaps they were only going where there was action.

This new direction eve is heading reminds me of SWG NGE.

Most of the content mentioned I have yet to see.

You know, in my humble opinion. . . Post with your main bro!

Ooooh! Did you just tell the emperor he has no clothes? (I was tired of seeing that thing danglin' in my face, too.)

Allow me to add some more of my irrelevancy-laden observations. Null Sec - SoV is a game. EVE is not. The two have to be viewed separately. There's a whole dialogue about this alone, but time and space don't allow so we'll make this leap and say Null Sec - SoV is the much begged for "end game" or "meta game" if you will (though the game itself is actually older than that term.) Whatever game it's called it's a game, and not a sandbox. As such it has to be developed or invented as one.

The tendency is to take an existing condition and alter or contort it to meet perceived short-comings or stout demands. We took the "old" SoV and turned it into "this" SoV. Now we're taking this one and bending it into the "new" one. Imagine chess doing this:

"The queen is OP."
"Okay, let's nerf her. How?"
"Let's tie her to a pawn."
"Okay, which pawn?"
"How about her knight's pawn?"
"That makes sense. Let's do it."
"What about the string laying on the board?"
"Hmmm....let's say nobody can cross it."
"Nobody can cross it?"
"Cross it, how?"
"Front or back."
"Just front."
"Okay, just front."
"Nobody?"
"Well, we could have a jump specialist."
"What piece would that be?"
"Let's make it a bishop. Bishops live on loopholes anyway."
"Which bishop?"
"Oh, let's make it the black bishop for white, and the white bishop for black!"

Enough of this and you're playing Mess, not Chess. It's trying to be cute, but we are teetering on the edge of making a monstrosity if this situation isn't viewed properly from the outset. And, you can see the two camps in our case already in place.

A.) I've got this Null - SoV down to an artform and now you're going to change it on me?

B.) This Null - SoV results in unwanted and unwarranted conditions, it needs to be changed.

What is difficult to do is look at Null - SoV as a stand-alone entity and devise a method unattached from any of the previous methods. No matter what you do otherwise, you'll always have the remnants of the old method interlaced with the armature of the new one. Woefully, CCP seems to grasp this and has tried to weave a new mechanic from the midst of the old. This method makes it impossible to create a totally new method, leaving what you have to the vagaries of comparing it to the old, as though the new method is just an alteration of the old - not a new method at all.

Null - SoV is a game. It has to be designed like a cogent, stand-alone system such as are Chess, Backgammon, even Checkers. I can't help but feel we're trying to turn Backgammon into Chess. And, no matter how good your intentions, or how much effort and imagination you put into it, you're going to wind up with Mess - just as many are foretelling with this Null - SoV.

Maybe CCP got it right. Maybe when it's applied, over time, the genius of the new way will reveal itself and all the naysayers silenced. I tend to think that'd take a combination of luck and genius that isn't often seen in human history, and the idea this combination just happened to pull itself together in Reykjavik? Well. Let's say you aren't getting Vegas odds on that one.

Just remember, CCP's biggest problem with dealing with this situation is us. We're the ones using our vision to make our demands, expectations and sharp criticisms they have to either anticipate or work around. It could well be some brilliant ideas found their ways to the cutting room floor all because of this: "They'd never go for it."

Believe it or not. I see the best way to create a Null - SoV Game is to turn over the Etcha-Sketch and shake. Whatever was is no more, including whatever holdings people think they hold (hear a huge CRY from a waffle nearby?) Rework it. Reinvent it, totally separate from anything done before. THEN, set us loose on it like the homesteaders were set loose on the wild west.

Of course, the ones "losing" what they "have now" would be apoplectic. So, if anyone's tied anyone's hands in this,
we have.

Just a thought...or two.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb and disagree with just about everything you said OP.

Have a nice day.

I like your hair.

OP has no hair at all!