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EVE seems generally healthy - but online user count keeps falling?

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#1 - 2015-03-17 12:38:18 UTC
In my playing experience, living in wormholes, I subjectively feel that I encounter more other players than two or three years ago, or at least as many. When I travel in hisec and go to Jita, numbers also seem on a stable, robust level.

News I hear from other areas of space also don't sound so bad: Low sec, which was for many years a barren wasteland, is bustling with activity. Nullsec may be a little stagnant, but I also haven't heard of any catastrophic drop in activity.

But if you look at the hard numbers of logged-in characters from eve-offline.net, they look quite sobering. And I'm not talking peak numbers here, but the 'period average':

Last 36 hours: 22k
Last week: 24k
2 weeks: 25k
1 month: 25k
3 months: 30k
6 month: 36k
1 year: 39k
5 years: 49k
All: 37k

That's a drop of more than 50% from the 5-year average. That is huge.

I think that objectively, EVE is a better game than ever. The new people in charge and the new release cycle have finally made EVE a professionally developed product. When I started playing, it still seemed like it was made by some dudes in a garage. Patches needed sometimes a day to deploy and broke half of the game. Frequent downtimes because of database corruption and so on. These things are mostly in the past now.

So, any theories why the numbers have dropped so drastically? War on botting? Fewer alts used? Less afk'ing?

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-03-17 12:43:33 UTC
The longer timeline includes more large spikes and that jacks up the average.

Either that or we're all doomed.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2015-03-17 12:50:34 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
The longer timeline includes more large spikes and that jacks up the average.

Either that or we're all doomed.


Plus all the banned ISBoxing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-17 12:50:36 UTC

The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#5 - 2015-03-17 12:57:36 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
In my playing experience, living in wormholes, I subjectively feel that I encounter more other players than two or three years ago, or at least as many. When I travel in hisec and go to Jita, numbers also seem on a stable, robust level.

News I hear from other areas of space also don't sound so bad: Low sec, which was for many years a barren wasteland, is bustling with activity. Nullsec may be a little stagnant, but I also haven't heard of any catastrophic drop in activity.

But if you look at the hard numbers of logged-in characters from eve-offline.net, they look quite sobering. And I'm not talking peak numbers here, but the 'period average':

Last 36 hours: 22k
Last week: 24k
2 weeks: 25k
1 month: 25k
3 months: 30k
6 month: 36k
1 year: 39k
5 years: 49k
All: 37k

That's a drop of more than 50% from the 5-year average. That is huge.

I think that objectively, EVE is a better game than ever. The new people in charge and the new release cycle have finally made EVE a professionally developed product. When I started playing, it still seemed like it was made by some dudes in a garage. Patches needed sometimes a day to deploy and broke half of the game. Frequent downtimes because of database corruption and so on. These things are mostly in the past now.

So, any theories why the numbers have dropped so drastically? War on botting? Fewer alts used? Less afk'ing?


Fewer alts used is a big one. I know that to reduce a bit of strain on my wallet I went from 4 accounts to 3 (just re-subbed the 4th account last week).

Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#6 - 2015-03-17 13:08:26 UTC
Interesting. In fact, I personally also use fewer accounts/characters than in the past. Not even for money/ISK reasons, but because I don't have to. In today's EVE there are more things a single character can do without need for alts. Which is a good thing, because in general it's more fun to focus on one client compared to constant switching between clients.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2015-03-17 13:13:08 UTC
Yep. I blame reduced altitis and the ISBoxer policy.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#8 - 2015-03-17 13:19:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Fewer alts used is a big one. I know that to reduce a bit of strain on my wallet I went from 4 accounts to 3 (just re-subbed the 4th account last week).

Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).


This^. The majority of our eve online numbers logged in isn't so much as other people, its the same people with more accounts.
People don't like relying on people in eve, or waiting to team up with someone to go out and do something past a roam, and even some pvpers will fly multiple accounts in combat.
A long standing method of play eve is if you want to do more then get more alts.
between Rising Plex prices over the years and constant hits against activities people use alts for such as ISBOX, Capital ships (between ship sitters and cyno alts), and pilots that had salvage alts for their missions.

I know of a couple of ISBOX that was running incursions that sold all of the nightmares for supers and took off to nullsec, Now im going to say that come the summer (if he hasn't already started looking at something else with skynet's death) that once supers become nothing more than a boosting ship, either 1 we will find something else or 2 the fleets will lead to several hundred more accounts unsubbing.

Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy but the game is infested with them. I watch brand new pilots that just get their venture get ganked because they are mining, HTF is that a good way to retain subs when people are blowing up or scamming legitimate new pilots? (and im not talking about peoples alts here)

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Serene Repose
#9 - 2015-03-17 13:50:41 UTC
Gimme Sake wrote:

The are a ton more mmos available than 5 years ago. Also, as players are aging their priorities in life change and the new generation of players is in search for instant gratification while Eve requires at least long term commitment.

This is probably the most accurate, though not nearly wordy enough for GD! (You need to work on your BS factor!)

The upside is, those young gamers will be coming back our way eventually.
Short attention spans tend to lengthen with time.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-03-17 13:55:25 UTC
Agondray wrote:

Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy


I'd rather have Eve filled with people who are ok with that line of advertising. Anyone who isn't ok with it can find something else to play.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#11 - 2015-03-17 14:02:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Other than that, what you end up seeing isn't EVE's population, it's "core population vs casuals". Yea double whammy with an EN24 article AND it's Gevlon lol, but it's actually good work there. The "Core" population always logs in, it's the fair weather casuals coming and going that makes it seem like fewer people are playing (again, among other things like how CCP killed the need for alts with multiple character traning etc).


And it's the core customers CCP has been neglecting for years, in favour of the WOW crowd.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-03-17 14:10:19 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Agondray wrote:

Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy


I'd rather have Eve filled with people who are ok with that line of advertising. Anyone who isn't ok with it can find something else to play.

People need to understand, that EvE is a parallel universe where chars are (and behave like!) immortal semi-gods, where death doesn't count the same as in real life. Shooting players' ships and pods for fun is not bad in New Eden. Btw, "New Eden" is a nice euphemism. TwistedLol.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#13 - 2015-03-17 14:10:21 UTC
I used to have 6 active accounts, now I have 2. A lot of people have been ditching alts for various reasons.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2015-03-17 14:19:02 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
I used to have 6 active accounts, now I have 2. A lot of people have been ditching alts for various reasons.


I've been running 5-7 for years, I'm working on bringing that back to 3 (this char is a result of that plan, still in training but will be "done" is about 3 months).
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#15 - 2015-03-17 14:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ned Thomas wrote:
Agondray wrote:

Also eve needs to stop all of the ads about "come play eve, be the bad guy" Not everyone likes being the bad guy


I'd rather have Eve filled with people who are ok with that line of advertising. Anyone who isn't ok with it can find something else to play.


Me too. I don't play the 'bad guy' (for the most part, as a PVE player that only rarely does missions for pirate factions I "playing" a cop or a at least a bounty hunter), but im cool with those who do, because it makes the game fun instead of the bland and fake "goodness" of real life.

To me EVE is like a Strip Club where it's very honest about what people are in there for ( the 'T & A') and if you want to talk to someone you 'tip' them, as opposed to a "Night Club" (aka real life) where everyone is pretending they are 'there to have a good time' (instead of saying "I came for the T & A") and where if you want to talk to someone you 'buy them a drink' (which is only different from tipping a stripper in that it's WAY more expensive).

(Side note, why can't I go into a night club and just stuff a dollar into someone obviously exposed undergarments to strike up a conversation? Most girls I saw in night clubs had on only marginally more clothes than strippers Twisted )

EVE is simply what many (not all ) people would be if they were in fact spaceship flying Demi-Gods.
Vyl Vit
#16 - 2015-03-17 14:37:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
To me EVE is like a Strip Club ....(Side note, why can't I go into a night club and just stuff a dollar into someone obviously exposed undergarments to strike up a conversation? Most girls I saw in night clubs had on only marginally more clothes than strippers Twisted )

EVE is simply what many (not all ) people would be if they were in fact spaceship flying Demi-Gods.
Uh HUH...right... I don't think the majority of people in civilized society would agree with the significance of this "take" in characterizing a venue where junior is being enticed to attend. You may like it, but the world isn't beating a path to the door of strip clubs to see some T&A (especially those who ... I'll leave it at "don't NEED to"). Though, I appreciate you saying this as it might give the management some insight into EVE's reputation.

EVE certainly has a reputation and it's not one responsible parents would wish to see attached to their children. I mention this because responsible parents tend to pay their credit card bills, where those who want to stuff money in people's underwear tend to PLEX, which as fun as it may be, doesn't pay the bills. (And, who said grinding for PLEX is fun?)

There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.

Yeah, rather than continue to try to pry open this can of peas, it'd be better to just suggest the "baddy of gaming" idea isn't very good advertising unless you want the sort that don't pay their bills. After all, in a capitalist society those are the baddies, no?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-03-17 14:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
Jenn aSide wrote:
To me EVE is like a Strip Club where...I go and...just stuff a dollar into someone['s]
...undergarments to strike up a conversation.
Why am I not surprised?

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Serene Repose
#18 - 2015-03-17 14:44:39 UTC
I'm honest-to-God LMAO here.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#19 - 2015-03-17 14:45:27 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
To me EVE is like a Strip Club ....(Side note, why can't I go into a night club and just stuff a dollar into someone obviously exposed undergarments to strike up a conversation? Most girls I saw in night clubs had on only marginally more clothes than strippers Twisted )

EVE is simply what many (not all ) people would be if they were in fact spaceship flying Demi-Gods.
Uh HUH...right... I don't think the majority of people in civilized society would agree with the significance of this "take" in characterizing a venue where junior is being enticed to attend. You may like it, but the world isn't beating a path to the door of strip clubs to see some T&A (especially those who ... I'll leave it at "don't NEED to"). Though, I appreciate you saying this as it might give the management some insight into EVE's reputation.

EVE certainly has a reputation and it's not one responsible parents would wish to see attached to their children. I mention this because responsible parents tend to pay their credit card bills, where those who want to stuff money in people's underwear tend to PLEX, which as fun as it may be, doesn't pay the bills. (And, who said grinding for PLEX is fun?)

There's not a lot you can do about this if you insist upon making EVE the first-name in perverse on-line behavior. It will definitely cut down on the traffic. I myself don't tell people I play this game, as I still want them to welcome me into their homes without fear of my disrespecting the sanctity of the hovel, walking out with the silverware, or diddling Sally Sue.

Yeah, rather than continue to try to pry open this can of peas, it'd be better to just suggest the "baddy of gaming" idea isn't very good advertising unless you want the sort that don't pay their bills. After all, in a capitalist society those are the baddies, no?


Allow me to retort.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2015-03-17 14:47:08 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
To me EVE is like a Strip Club where...I go and...just stuff a dollar into someone['s]
...undergarments to strike up a conversation.
Why am I not surprised?


You're surprised that Adults do things? lol, aren't you the one who just posted in another thread about how puritanical and bible thumping Florida is?

I call Hypocrite.
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