EVE General Discussion

Why don't you ask those corps why they have the SP requirement? Not all corps care about your SP, and not all communities within the game require you to be in their corp in order to play with them.

Hmmm. It may just be opening an account, and not playing doesn't really give one skill. I'm just tossin' darts at the board in the dark here, but...mebbe how old an account is just isn't an accurate statement of how experienced a player really is. What do you think?

Now, take this skill point thing. At least it tells someone what a player should know how to do. However, we do have a few thousand people who "log just to queue skills" and that certainly doesn't count for in-game experience. Unless (however) these players take about five minutes to ship spin, then maybe a CEO can view them as capable EVE players.

I don't want to pretend to know more than I really do, unless I'm at some cocktail party,
however...what dunce said SP isn't important, anyway? Hmmmmm?

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Seriously tho; every corp has its own plan. In EVE you play with spaceships to fulfill those plans. The type of spaceship you can fly is dictated by skillpoints. For some corps that means you need 1 million SP to fit in, for others a 100.

The reason that skill points don't matter a whole lot in combat is based on the fact that a warpdisruptor is a warpdisruptor (for example). Whether its fitted to a 500K condor or a 100 bill titan, if you activate it on me, I'm not warping.

You in your lowly condor grabbing me will outperform a 200 million SP dude if I escape from him. The difference is the number of ships you can put that warpdisruptor on.

You asked the wrong initial question, it should be "Why are so many people dumb as fck and incapable of using reason or logic?". The answer to that also answers your actual question, effectively.

It's generally a flexible thing. I think most corps require that you fly at least their doctrine ships. Which means you need to be able to fit Y and Z on A and B hulls. This as a result means that you should be in the X skill points range.

For example, if you want someone to be able to fly Ishtars, fit them properly and use T2 drones, you're not far from that number. It also means the people you invite in to your corporation have played for at least 6-8 months and are somewhat aware of how to fit and fly their ships.

There are corps out there that don't care at all about SP though. Some of these are Eve-University, RvB, Dreddit (Faction warfare), WormBro (Wormhole corp), BraveNewbies (null), ...

I used to teach guitar. I'd get kids in who'd insist, "Show me what Van Halen does.
I don't need to know the names of the strings." I'd tell their moms to find another babysitter.

I don't think anyone but Goonwaffle rigidly sticks to a policy. Goonwaffle's policy is no policy, which they rigidly stick to, like syrup on a waffle, so they're the exception that proves the rule. Ultimately, we're all looking to spend our time enjoying EVE with a minimum amount of headaches; self-inflicted or those brought on by people who are supposed to be on our side.

EVE is seeking headaches, but hopefully only from your opponent, so you see we tend to try to bend the mechanics of the game to save ourselves misery we or others have experienced before. The biggest pain in the neck is the above mentioned student. We know computer games tend to attract a lot of immature idiots who think they rock 'cause they ganked in WoW, and now they're here to own EVE.

We also know that's a very stupid attitude to take with EVE, and we question if we really want to be saddled with a player who is figuring this out by hard knocks and body shocks. That gets sort of tiresome...so we have the SP requirement. As was said before, people can buy toons. Sure. These get a start date for the new player on the sale date. The actual birth date doesn't carry forward. SO, if a person is in a two-month toon with a 5.0 security status, it's a bought toon. You can't get around that.

There's other data you accumulate as a footprint in this game. Believe me. We look at it, too.

TL;DR? (Then your attention span is too short to play EVE.) We do these things to spare ourselves agony.

Eve logic: Just because it doesn't matter doesn't mean it is not going to be a requirement.

My gank alt (who is quickly turning into my main tbh) has less than 2mil SP, but thanks to a focused skill plan he is now a very competent Atron or Catalyst pilot. Useful in low sec PvP fleets, and also capable of solo ganking miners in high sec.

inb4 someone claims that ganking is for bads etc. Personally I find that scouting a target without spooking it, and correctly executing a gank takes a lot more effort and preparation than following an FC's orders in your average PvP roam fleet.

Retention is also a consideration for recruiters. If you are new player friendly you invest a lot of time and effort into helping rookies get started - then 90% of them quit playing (often without a word) in the first 6 months. It can be quite demoralising for corps - mainly the CEO who is the only one who can see notifications that someone has left corp - and is a recurring theme when you recruit people who have been playing less than 3 years because of the average lifespan of a player. Even established corps operate with a massive % of their members inactive at any time, but at least you don't have to spend time training vets. I'd imagine retention is less of an issue for massive newbie organisations but it does burn smaller corp leads out because they are usually inexperienced at corp management and have invested more time personally. This is partly why so many empire corps are a bit rubbish/implode which is annoying because new players are being exposed to the worst aspects of corporations early on.

^ Agreed. I've been doing recruitment pretty much since I started playing and it's all about attitude for me. There's nothing worse than spending ages recruiting someone then they get on comms and are the most annoying person in the world. Rookies can be among the most enthusiastic people to have in your corp and if you bag one who ends up sticking around they cheer all the miserable vets up. The alliance I'm currently in sets standings to recruits then invites them to fly with us for a trial, which is the best policy I've seen so far. As a highsec recruiter I used to keep recruits on trial for 2-4 weeks but pitch it as an opportunity for them to make sure they wanted to join - which sounds a lot better than telling them you're being selective.