Ships & Modules

Is that hypocrisy i smell.

Im a firm believer that scanning someones cargo hold should be considered an aggressive act. Other than law enforcement, no one should be sticking their nose into your cargo.

If you want to be a pirate, take the risks like a pirate.





So much anger over nerfing an exploit.

In low sec, anyone can shoot anything, INCLUDING THAT ORCA. So the combat ship swap is not nearly as effective, and the Orca is at risk anwyay. Which it is not in High Sec.

Is it directed against "ninjas" (read, exploiters), youbetchya. Does it affect the guys who WANT TO BE OUT IN LOW SEC PVPING? Not in the least.


I still say make the Orca carry the aggro flag when they ship swap, and let them change ships all they want. If that Orca becomes killable when they do it, you will find it being done a lot less, because the ninja's will then be losing their.. in your own words, "Bling Boat".

Completely aggro free switching in space away from station, where they cant do spit about it or touch the orca itself without CCP blowing you to hell? I disagree.

Enough people apparently thought similarly that the change this thread is screaming over on both sides went into effect.


I am not against pirates or as some for some reason prefer to be called, ninjas. I am against exploiting game mechanics to remove all risk from themselves, at the expense of others. Do I agree with all of the change? not 100%. But I do like that they see the problem and are addressing it.

As I already stated, I think ship scooping should be allowed, but I also think it should flag the Orca if its in High Sec. I also think scanning should be allowed, and should be considered an aggressive act in High Sec. This would allow piracy to continue, but it would also put actual RISK, and chances for loss on said Pirates.

I also think this would take away a lot of room for complaint from the high sec players, as they could actually do sometihng about the pirate, other than be forced to fight ONLY what the pirate wants them to face, when they want them to face it.

Working as intended. Move along.

Too bad for you... no didnt lose a single ship, i test the ninja tactics every patch, ccp is knows for those underhanded dirty backstabbing nerfs to the dark side of the cominity.

The tears of Gankbears?

Delicious.

There.

That's your post distilled to essence, made much more concise--remember, this is the gnat-like attention span of the Intertubes Generation you're dealing with

Unless you're being ironic/sarcastic, in which case, good troll, 9/10!

So, now you are unable to:
1) switch ships using an Orca without first having the Orca pilot launch the ship, provided you have player aggro and are in high sec;
2) scoop a ship that's being targeted to the Orca's SMA

Okay. Now ninjas' PvP has a bit more risk, but not to the extent that it's broken forever ZOMGZOMGZ abandon ship unsub right nao! Previously the only risks in provoking mission runners by stealing their stuff in frigates and inciting aggro were basically that the mission runner was baiting the ninjas, or that the mission runner manages to win because they were missioning in a PvP fit ship, or they got very lucky somehow (e.g. technical difficulties for the ninja, like a dc or something, a lucky shot, whatever). The incidence of both of these events is laughably low. Seriously, what percentage of encounters end this way?

Now there's another element of risk introduced: the mission runner locks the launched ship before the ninja can board it and the ninja is kind of SOL. The odds of that happening are fairly low (the mission runner might be in a bit of a panic, or they might not know about locking the ship mechanic, or they are a bot, or they are AFK, or they just can't lock fast enough). Not nonexistent but low. Low enough that most such encounters will still end in the ninjas' favor, but not low enough to more or less guarantee a win for the original aggressor (and yes, that would be the ninja since they stole **** from the mission runner, whatever the reason). Ninjas' gank ship losses might go up, but surely not by enough to cause mass ninja suicides and ragequits. It does suck more for people with slower Internets, but life isn't fair. Sack up, ninja in a Griffin or fit ECM to your sacrificial Vigil to break locks on your gank ships, pick your targets better, holy crapballs, this is HARDLY gamebreaking. Just breaking to the old ninja game. Mission runners now have a counter to the thief who ships up, surely the entire group of people who play the game of baiting mission runners is smart enough to come up with a counter of their own?..

You can't board a locked ship, you can't scoop a locked ship, not illogical, yes? A better solution would of course be adjusting aggro mechanics to flag the Orca as it's obviously assisting a criminal. This should also apply to carriers, will take care of that source of complaints as well. For some reason CCP is reluctant to work on this or say why they might not think it's a good idea or anything of the sort, so eh.

switch from vigil to drone frig, use ecm drones, PROBLEM FIXED YOU LAZY GRIEFER RETARDS.

If you engage in combat you should in no way be able to have your ship magically dissapear when you are about to lose it. If you start a fight you need to stop crying about CCP fixing an exploit you are benefitting from.

Tbh though I don't understand why CCP allows it for lowsec and nullsec - The station hugging bastards doing the trick with their carrier on undock are just as bad in my opinion...

http://youtu.be/S5xvkAPXB9c

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