EVE General Discussion

You know the funny thing is I probably see them more than anyone whining in this thread. I scan for hours on end, of the haulers I scan 10-20% of them are what this whine thread is whining about.

But guess what, I deal with it by marking them as scamming alts. All of a sudden it's blatantly clear that I don't need to waste my time scanning them the next time they pass by. But that takes a modicum of effort which I guess is too much to ask.

idk how this killright thing works but atm it's too useless for me to want to use my time to learn to use it.

This perfectly sums up my thoughts about high sec.

There are actually supporters of this? Really?

Ok, let's review here: The reason you don't see free killrights all over the place is because the killright is free to anybody. Clearing it is exceptionally easy. The folks I used to run with would clear any killright set with a price tag of 10 mil isk or cheaper. Anything more than that, we figured we'd get a decent fight over it. The unfit haulers on the trade hub undocks are indeed scamming you. Removing the ability for them to scam you won't suddenly let you shoot those easy target haulers. The haulers will disappear.

The short answer here is that if you want to hunt people with usable killrights, you actually have to hunt.

Except CCP have repeatedly said that players will never be prevented from entering any area of space because of their security status. If you don't want -10's in highsec then it is up to you to do something about them; that's the whole point of the sandbox.

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1) The point of a killright is to exact retribution on a criminal;

2) Criminals are defined by the rulesof the space in which their activities are illegal;
(as illustrated by their irrelevance in null and enforcement only by CONCORD)

3) It is the state, CONCORD, which ultimately grants these rights;

As such

Killrights should belong to CONCORD


With this one of two things could happen:

1) CONCORD grants open and free access to all criminals in it's borders.

2) CONCORD auctions off the rights to take out said criminals with active rights (with measures not to abuse the price, maybe a timer).

In this instance, the isk sink does not need to go to players, the OP is correct that this just keeps polluting every system we have in regards to bounty/killrights.

Right, thanks for putting that better and that is what I really meant.

Killrights as an IDEA are great, but the ability to put such a high rate for activation, which only gets abused, really adds nothing to the mechanic and MAKES it LAAAAAAAAME.

I am just not seeing the advatage for allowing a price ANYWAY/. I mean, eather you want someone else to kill that basterd or you don't. If you do, you are not going to legitimately make it prohibitively expensive from someone to help you do it.

I imagine the original idea is that you could auction off a "famous" criminal - But it just isn't working out that way. A majority of anyone worth killing is either in a space where you can do that without cost or never leaves the station. I have yet to see headlines "Hundred race to activate 2 Billion ISK rill-right on Elo Night."

How exactly, am I wrong? You don't say much and you back it up with even less.

Your equations are happening anyway. Free killrights are being zeroed out or overridden by more expensive ones from their alts/corpmates/friends, and scams are in full swing with empty freighters and indys just hovring around AKF.

I come from the dredgery of null from time to time to hunt criminals and I have observed, as the OP has, that most of the killrights are in absurd amounts, over industrial pilots who have a clearly unusual kill:death ratio; or they are on a gang of pilots, enjoying the victories of skirting the criminal justice system of New Eden, but blocking out the retribution entitled to their victims by having alts and mates place outrageous prices for the rights themselves.

This is not the hypothetical you presented, you can observe this for yourself. It is artificial, and in the words of the OP "LAAAAAAAAME."

I don't do it much, but I can see that it is not even worth doing as a whole beyond the chance encounter... too much unnecessary white noise.

are you really that stupid, or are you just really that good at acting that way?

when multiple killrights are available on the same target, the CHEAPEST will be available first

there's no such f*cking thing as blocking out a free killright with scam killrights