Ships & Modules

Nono, you stated that cost is not a factor and isn't relevant at all so in that case you should not care about them becoming more expensive. You spout the stupid meme, you get the to deal with the responses.

Yes, the T3D need to be nerfed but they also need to be made more expensive. Not 250 mil expensive but about double of what they are now.

Cost is of course one of the factors of balance, bigger more expensive ships are meant to take on more ships of a lesser class. T3 destroyers are meant to be able to take on multiple frigates just like a Hurricane BC is meant to take on more than one omen.

Now the price for a T3 destroyer is I think not that bad either, for a full fit the price tag is somewhere around 75 million. For that price you can fit either 2 t2 frigates and some t1's or 3 t2's, that ought to give you about a 50/50 chance of winning the engagement, if it doesn't that speaks more about your fleet comp and skills than it does about the dessy. If you are one of the people whinging about how the t3 dessy can take on AF frigates you deserve to lose just like anyone that tries to out brawl a Deimos with Thorax's.

to kill a t3 dessy ought to be fairly simple 1 EWAR frigate (any of the non minmatar t2's) plus one tackle frigate (the minmatar T2 EWAR ship is good here though) will leave them helpless and trapped. add dps as necessary.

Which is what ship? Please do tell what one ship is the best in the game.

Why would I fly a T1 cruiser EVER when I can HAC/Mordus?
Why would I fly a T1 frig, ever when I can Inty/AF as required?
Why would I fly a T1 BS ever when I can use faction ones?
Why would I use a T1 mining hull when I can use the T2?

Because COST.

To ignore its role in broad levels of balance is folly. You cannot RELY on it as a balancing factor but nor can one completely ignore it.

Case in point - the reason people fly things other than orthrus at the cruiser tier is because at 280m a pop, that's going to start to hurt before long.



tl;dr "cost" is not an excuse for a ship being blatantly overpowered, but it CAN be valid to say a given hull provides too much power for too LITTLE cost relative to her peer group.

Silly? on which point of view?

The caldari one is going to be stupid. Beyond stupid.

A lot of people are excited about mad hull tanks, however I'm thinking: oversized prop mod, propulsion mode and tracking independent weapons. i.e. independent of your OWN movement....it's going to be ridiculous. It'll make the garmur look like a rocket rifter.