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New player learning the ropes:

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James Vakarian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-03-15 11:26:52 UTC
I am new to the game (as in I started roughly 9 hours ago.) and I have a few questions.

1) I may have been mining for ISK, as some of the minerals have moderate yield and it is easy for someone with just a venture and no skills. I do want to move up/away/beyond mining though. Any recommendations? I would rather not engage in PvP at this point. I want more experience and a better ship before then.

2) I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

3) I want a better ship, and I don't mind working for the ISK to buy it. I would like a better ship for killing things, and for general use. Any recommendations?

4) Is there anything else I should know? What about scanning? I am having trouble figuring it out.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-15 11:39:11 UTC
James Vakarian wrote:
I am new to the game (as in I started roughly 9 hours ago.) and I have a few questions.

1) I may have been mining for ISK, as some of the minerals have moderate yield and it is easy for someone with just a venture and no skills. I do want to move up/away/beyond mining though. Any recommendations? I would rather not engage in PvP at this point. I want more experience and a better ship before then.

2) I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

3) I want a better ship, and I don't mind working for the ISK to buy it. I would like a better ship for killing things, and for general use. Any recommendations?

4) Is there anything else I should know? What about scanning? I am having trouble figuring it out.



1. You could take up exploration, it's not uncommon to make tens of millions per hour doing that, even as a newbro. Just make sure you read up and get some advice on how to handle wormhole/null space

2. Depends on what you're doing, high sec is dangerous if you're doing something that attracts attention such as afk mining near populated areas or missioning in an expensive ship, generally as a newer player high sec is fine.

3. Killing what things though? You want to do missions? Exploration combat? Asteroid belt ratting? It also depends on which region of space you want to do this in since every region may have different varieties of NPCs which do different things and require different ships to do effectively.

4. Do the scanning tutorial if you haven't, in fact do ALL the tutorials if you haven't
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-03-15 11:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Azda Ja
James Vakarian wrote:
I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

High Sec is more dangerous only if you're comparing the experiences of a High sec dweller who doesn't pay attention to their surroundings, to a seasoned lowsec dweller. One can live and be safe(ish) in all areas of space with the proper knowledge, effort and preparation. It is of course, not easy. High Sec can therefore be quite unsafe if one is expecting something similar to a "hub town" in another MMO. Not so with EVE.

Here are a couple basic, common sense methods of reducing (not eliminating) your risk level.

  • Do not afk while in space. No afk mining, no afk traveling. This WILL get you killed.
  • Never ever use autopilot. Warp from gate to gate at 0, or hit jump. This technically falls under "afk while in space", but merits a focused mention.
  • Don't paint a target on your back. Flying expensive ships and fits while not paying attention is like swimming with sharks out of cage with a bleeding cut.


This may seem obvious, but a crap ton of people lose ships in HS due to ignoring the above. High sec is NOT a "PVP free zone". Concord is there to punish, not prevent spaceship violence. The best defense is being proactive on your end, not expecting the game to protect you.


EDIT: Yes, make sure you've done all, and have paid attention to the tutorials. They're awful, but they do answer a lot of basic questions.

Here's a scanning tutorial in video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IhqpWZo0-Q

Grrr.

James Vakarian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-15 12:00:22 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:


1. You could take up exploration, it's not uncommon to make tens of millions per hour doing that, even as a newbro. Just make sure you read up and get some advice on how to handle wormhole/null space

2. Depends on what you're doing, high sec is dangerous if you're doing something that attracts attention such as afk mining near populated areas or missioning in an expensive ship, generally as a newer player high sec is fine.

3. Killing what things though? You want to do missions? Exploration combat? Asteroid belt ratting? It also depends on which region of space you want to do this in since every region may have different varieties of NPCs which do different things and require different ships to do effectively.

4. Do the scanning tutorial if you haven't, in fact do ALL the tutorials if you haven't


How would I get started doing exploration? You've definitely peaked my interest here.

I don't AFK, though mining is....lackluster at best.

What is "ratting"?

I have been doing tutorials since I started. There are a lot. I got stuck on the current one though, and am just now getting back to work.
James Vakarian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-15 12:05:23 UTC
Azda Ja wrote:
James Vakarian wrote:
I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

High Sec is more dangerous only if you're comparing the experiences of a High sec dweller who doesn't pay attention to their surroundings, to a seasoned lowsec dweller. One can live and be safe(ish) in all areas of space with the proper knowledge, effort and preparation. It is of course, not easy. High Sec can therefore be quite unsafe if one is expecting something similar to a "hub town" in another MMO. Not so with EVE.

Here are a couple basic, common sense methods of reducing (not eliminating) your risk level.

  • Do not afk while in space. No afk mining, no afk traveling. This WILL get you killed.
  • Never ever use autopilot. Warp from gate to gate at 0, or hit jump. This technically falls under "afk while in space", but merits a focused mention.
  • Don't paint a target on your back. Flying expensive ships and fits while not paying attention is like swimming with sharks out of cage with a bleeding cut.


This may seem obvious, but a crap ton of people lose ships in HS due to ignoring the above. High sec is NOT a "PVP free zone". Concord is there to punish, not prevent spaceship violence. The best defense is being proactive on your end, not expecting the game to protect you.


EDIT: Yes, make sure you've done all, and have paid attention to the tutorials. They're awful, but they do answer a lot of basic questions.

Here's a scanning tutorial in video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IhqpWZo0-Q


Is using autopilot really that bad? I am pretty terrible at navigating multiple jumps myself. The system seems to do it much faster. Maybe I should just get better at this.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-03-15 12:19:00 UTC
James Vakarian wrote:
Is using autopilot really that bad? I am pretty terrible at navigating multiple jumps myself. The system seems to do it much faster. Maybe I should just get better at this.

Well, this is how I do it. If i'm going somewhere, I find the name of the system, if it is already highlighted in yellow in the game client, I right click that and use "set destination". This is what the AutoPilot uses to determine where it's going. However, it won't jump you around automatically unless you active that specifically. Once a destination is chosen, the stargates you want to take are highlighted in yellow in the Overview. Just click the gate, warp to 0 and jump.

Also I think I failed to mention that one should avoid AP because it will warp your ship to 15km away from a gate/station when dobe automatically. Your ship then has to slowly burn it's way to 0 of the gate/station to do the next step. This is why AP is dangerous, seeing a ship land at 15km from a gate and start burning to it is announcing to the world that you're not paying attention. Those 15km out of warp are very vulnerable, even more so in large ships mind you.

Grrr.

Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-03-15 12:19:26 UTC
Nothing wrong with using the autopilot's routing to figure out a route from A to B. What they're saying is don't turn the auto pilot on and let it fly your ship for you.
James Vakarian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-15 12:37:24 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Nothing wrong with using the autopilot's routing to figure out a route from A to B. What they're saying is don't turn the auto pilot on and let it fly your ship for you.


You mentioned making a lot of ISK off of wormhole space.
What part of finding wormholes actually makes you the money though? They're just wormholes, right?

@Elena: Thanks for the vid. Just finished it and it cleared up all my questions.

Can you guys tell me why my new 75mm railgun isn't working though? Do i have to manually load weapons or something? And how do I know what type of ammo to use?
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-03-15 12:45:18 UTC
James Vakarian wrote:
@Elena: Thanks for the vid. Just finished it and it cleared up all my questions.


You're welcome, but I didn't post it. Big smile
Thank Azda Ja

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Can you guys tell me why my new 75mm railgun isn't working though? Do i have to manually load weapons or something? And how do I know what type of ammo to use?


Define 'not working'

Yes, railguns need ammo. 75mm ones are small, so they take small hybrid charges. Antimatter S is probably the more common. You load the gun once and then when it runs out it reloads automatically, providing you have ammo in your cargo hold.

What makes you money in Wormhole space (systems that wormholes lead to) are the exploration sites. There is a lot of money to be made in running WH space sites, and a lot of danger too, since wormhole systems are essentially nullsec with regard to police protection and additionally don't show pilot names in local. There could be 42 cloaked ships around you, and you'd never know. The sleepers (NPCs) are pretty nasty too.
Memphis Baas
#10 - 2015-03-15 12:48:35 UTC
Exploration involves using probes to find hidden sites, and then going there to "exploit" them; you can find higher grade roids to mine, various pirate NPC's to shoot, or data / archeology sites where you have to unlock (loot) containers using hacking or archeology analyzers.

"Ratting" is going from asteroid belt to asteroid belt in a combat ship, to shoot the NPC piRATes that appear there. Not worth doing in high-sec because the NPC rats are weak and thus have little bounty on their heads; in 0.0 space you can get a number of cruisers and battleships for 100k bounty each (plus loot).

The above is similar to combat missions, which you can get from mission agents. These CAN be done in high-sec, and as you gain standings and progress to higher level agents within a corp (for example, Caldari Navy is one such corp), the strength of the enemy NPCs increases, up to battleships at level 4 agents (and bounties similar to ratting above).

You can also manufacture and trade; I recommend searching for guides (via google) for those as they are extensive topics of discussion.

If you wish to build a combat pilot, my recommendations are:

- Divide the skills into 3 categories: ship skills, weapon skills, and support skills. Ship skills are under Spaceship Command and unlock various ships for you to fly. Weapon skills are under Gunnery, Missiles, and/or Drones, and you should train the skills that match the ships that you decide on. Support skills are under Armor, Shields, Navigation, Engineering, Targeting, etc., and they unlock ship gear AND make all your ships fly better, so don't forget to train them as you progress with your ships and weapons.

- Each ship has a Recommendations tab, with levels of skills that you should train in order to fly it decently.

- Combat missions and ratting don't actually prepare you for PVP, as PVP is different enough than PVE combat. If you wish to do PVP, either join one of the newbie PVP training corporations (Red vs. Blue, EVE University, etc.), or find a full-on PVP corp and join them. You can only learn PVP by doing it, and it's hard to do it solo because every target will bring friends.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-03-15 13:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
James Vakarian wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Nothing wrong with using the autopilot's routing to figure out a route from A to B. What they're saying is don't turn the auto pilot on and let it fly your ship for you.


You mentioned making a lot of ISK off of wormhole space.
What part of finding wormholes actually makes you the money though? They're just wormholes, right?

@Elena: Thanks for the vid. Just finished it and it cleared up all my questions.

Can you guys tell me why my new 75mm railgun isn't working though? Do i have to manually load weapons or something? And how do I know what type of ammo to use?


Wormholes often take you into unknown, unmapped space. Something we refer to as J-space as all the systems in there are numbers denoted by the letter "J".

In these places very few people go so there's far less competition in wormhole space for money making.

The caveats are:

1. There are no rules: anyone can shoot, bomb, assplode anyone else without any sort of repercussion or penalty except from revenge of the victim or his friends.

2. There is no local chat unless someone decides to speak, you do not know if anyone is in the same system as you unless you employ some basic tactics involving your directional scanner and/or probes.

3. Almost everyone who lives in or frequents wormhole space will be prepared for pvp.

Your 75mm railgun requires ammunition from your cargo to fire. You can load ammunition in 3 ways:

1. Right click your gun in space and it will list all viable ammunition you can load.

2. Drag ammunition from your cargo to your gun in space

3. Drag ammunition from your cargo into the gun icon in the fitting window (drag to the ship model if you want to load ALL guns)

To understand what ammunition your gun can use, just right click and click "show info" and head to the attributes tab. There will be two values:

1. Charge size, this will tell you the caliber of the gun and consequently what size of ammo you need.

2. Used with (Charge group), this will tell you what type of ammo you use in that gun. In EVE there are 4 types of ammo: projectile, hybrid, missiles and crystals.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-03-15 13:27:41 UTC
If combat is what you want to train for, here is a good place to start when it comes to skill training. It'll get you into a variety of ship classes and roles quickly to an "ok" level, enough to decide which you like and want to specialize in. I started last july and followed it pretty closely for a while.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan-2

Also, quick tip of the "Teach a man to fish.." variety: When in doubt, right click the source of said doubt.

Grrr.

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2015-03-15 13:38:08 UTC
Mining does not make much isk. If you don't like it you should not be doing it. Combat and exploration are both better money makers. I'm not sure if you have finished the tutorials or not but it sounds like you have not. Either that or you are part of that experimental NPE (new player experience) called opportunities. Either way is sound like there are some very basic things you need to get down before going any further in other areas.

Low sec is the most dangerous space in the game. Depending on the situation null sec can be much more safe than high sec but that is highly situational. Also null sec space that is very safe for someone else would likely be very unsafe for you if you were to go there.

As for scanning and exploration there are plenty of guides and videos out there. Use some of those tools first then if you have specific questions after having tried it out then come here for answers.

As far as ships and fitting the best ship in eve is friendship beyond that it's all personal tastes. You will have to figure out your style. As a general rule and all other things being equal you are usually better off using a ship of the race of the space that you are inhabiting for PvE this is due to damage types and resists. But if you are missioning in Amarr space for example and have decent caldari related skills then you would be better off going caldari at least until you can cross train a little.

Eve Uni wiki is a good source for information on anything. It's a great place to go to look up how to fit and fly any ship. Also you will have to try some stuff out and and make some decisions on where to focus your training for the short term anyway. So you'll need to choose a primary weapon system like: turrets, missiles or drones. You'll have to choose a tanking method which is mostly shield or armor, it gets more complex than that but for now that should work.

As far as combat PvE for isk I would recommend that you find some level 1 agents and try missions Don't get stuck doing missions but it's a good place to get familiar with ship piloting. Also you need friends in this game. You need access to vets in chat channels. Joining a corp is a common way to do this but not the only way and jumping into the wrong corp could be a negative experience for you. So do your shopping and try some corps out by joining their public / recruitment channels for a while before making a decision.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Memphis Baas
#14 - 2015-03-15 14:08:17 UTC
James Vakarian wrote:
Can you guys tell me why my new 75mm railgun isn't working though? Do i have to manually load weapons or something? And how do I know what type of ammo to use?


Civilian Gatling Railguns work without ammo, to keep the tutorials simple. Upgraded weapons that you buy from the market require ammo; railguns and blasters use "hybrid charges", and the size of charges (small, medium, large) should be listed somewhere in the info page for the weapon. Typically, you need small charges for frigate sized guns (75mm, 125mm, 150mm), medium for cruiser sized (dual 150, 250), and large for battleship sized (325, 450).

Otherwise, different ammo (lead, iron, thorium, iridium, antimatter) gives you the option to increase range at the expense of damage, or viceversa. Since railguns are supposed to be "long range", you probably want some of the longer range ammos. Blasters are short range and you can load shorter range higher damage ammo in them. Carry extra ammo in your ship's cargo hold, as there is a "reload" option when your guns run dry.

You also need to make sure that the gun is turned on in the fitting screen when you install it. Each ship has a limited amount of power grid and CPU, and if the total number of guns and modules that you put in the ship exceeds either, some modules or guns will be installed but turned off. They're typically shown as a faded icon in the fitting screen.

Finally, you need to lock a target, then click it to make it active, for your guns to shoot. If you activate the guns without a target, you'll just get the targeting crosshairs, and as soon as you pick a target they will shoot it. You can have multiple targets and split your guns between them, but that means you'll kill both targets more slowly, and they are shooting back at you. So it's better to focus fire on one target at a time until it's dead.
James Vakarian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-15 14:37:24 UTC
Okay, I have applied everyone's advice to the best of my abilities and am running around with three fully loaded and functional 75mms blowing away the pirate hunting tutorials.

I have also gotten scanning down very well.

My final question that comes to mind is that I want to train for Caldari Frigate: 3 skill, but I cannot seem to find any of these books on the market. Only the first book, which i bought and am now trained in, will come up. Any help on getting the second and third iterations of these? ISK farming also seems to already be becoming a thing of the past. Thanks to you all for that.
Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#16 - 2015-03-15 14:53:23 UTC
James Vakarian wrote:
I am new to the game (as in I started roughly 9 hours ago.) and I have a few questions.

1) I may have been mining for ISK, as some of the minerals have moderate yield and it is easy for someone with just a venture and no skills. I do want to move up/away/beyond mining though. Any recommendations? I would rather not engage in PvP at this point. I want more experience and a better ship before then.

2) I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

3) I want a better ship, and I don't mind working for the ISK to buy it. I would like a better ship for killing things, and for general use. Any recommendations?

4) Is there anything else I should know? What about scanning? I am having trouble figuring it out.


If you are interested in scanning/exploration as a profession then I would recommend that you have a look at the corp I am in. We try to teach our newest members if they need. We accept almost everyone if you are willing to abide by our corp credo.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2015-03-15 14:57:29 UTC
James Vakarian wrote:
Okay, I have applied everyone's advice to the best of my abilities and am running around with three fully loaded and functional 75mms blowing away the pirate hunting tutorials.

I have also gotten scanning down very well.

My final question that comes to mind is that I want to train for Caldari Frigate: 3 skill, but I cannot seem to find any of these books on the market. Only the first book, which i bought and am now trained in, will come up. Any help on getting the second and third iterations of these? ISK farming also seems to already be becoming a thing of the past. Thanks to you all for that.

err, no, you put the skill in the cue again to train it up another level Blink

if you feel you understand scanning mechanics then hers a good little tip for you

get an expanded probe launcher and a set of combat probes (8 of them) set the filter to drones and start looking for abandoned and forgotten drones you can scoop.

they are tricky little beggers to scan if your skills are ok but good practise and great isk for you at this point in your career, particularly if you find t2 drones (never mind of find geckos $$$$$$)
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-03-15 15:04:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
James Vakarian wrote:
Okay, I have applied everyone's advice to the best of my abilities and am running around with three fully loaded and functional 75mms blowing away the pirate hunting tutorials.

I have also gotten scanning down very well.

My final question that comes to mind is that I want to train for Caldari Frigate: 3 skill, but I cannot seem to find any of these books on the market. Only the first book, which i bought and am now trained in, will come up. Any help on getting the second and third iterations of these? ISK farming also seems to already be becoming a thing of the past. Thanks to you all for that.


You mean train Caldari Frigate up to level 3? The skillbooks only train a skill to level 1, after that you train additional levels by adding them to your skill queue. You can access the queue by clicking the bar under your Character potrait.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#19 - 2015-03-15 15:08:05 UTC
Leiliana Atruin wrote:
James Vakarian wrote:
I am new to the game (as in I started roughly 9 hours ago.) and I have a few questions.

1) I may have been mining for ISK, as some of the minerals have moderate yield and it is easy for someone with just a venture and no skills. I do want to move up/away/beyond mining though. Any recommendations? I would rather not engage in PvP at this point. I want more experience and a better ship before then.

2) I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

3) I want a better ship, and I don't mind working for the ISK to buy it. I would like a better ship for killing things, and for general use. Any recommendations?

4) Is there anything else I should know? What about scanning? I am having trouble figuring it out.


If you are interested in scanning/exploration as a profession then I would recommend that you have a look at the corp I am in. We try to teach our newest members if they need. We accept almost everyone if you are willing to abide by our corp credo.

keep this sort of thing for a private mail please,
lest we get everyone and their dog schilling their corp in here.
Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#20 - 2015-03-15 15:17:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Leiliana Atruin
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Leiliana Atruin wrote:
James Vakarian wrote:
I am new to the game (as in I started roughly 9 hours ago.) and I have a few questions.

1) I may have been mining for ISK, as some of the minerals have moderate yield and it is easy for someone with just a venture and no skills. I do want to move up/away/beyond mining though. Any recommendations? I would rather not engage in PvP at this point. I want more experience and a better ship before then.

2) I have heard High Sec space is more dangerous than low sec. Is this really true? Is suicide ganking really that prominent?

3) I want a better ship, and I don't mind working for the ISK to buy it. I would like a better ship for killing things, and for general use. Any recommendations?

4) Is there anything else I should know? What about scanning? I am having trouble figuring it out.


If you are interested in scanning/exploration as a profession then I would recommend that you have a look at the corp I am in. We try to teach our newest members if they need. We accept almost everyone if you are willing to abide by our corp credo.

keep this sort of thing for a private mail please,
lest we get everyone and their dog schilling their corp in here.


Never thought of that, but that is good advice! Thanks Big smile

Edit: I am not a recruiter for my corp, and do not have the power to invite anyone. The purpose of my post was just to point someone to a corp that MIGHT help them learning an area if they are interested in it.
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