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Level 4 Mission Running Question

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Eldhih
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-12 23:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eldhih
As a returning player, I am slowly relearning the game and have a question for you mission runners in high sec. Aside from the Navy Drake, what is the next step up for soloing level 4 missions? That is, what ship outperforms a Drake in survivability and firepower?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2015-03-12 23:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
There are good guides to lvl 4s in the Missions & Complexes forum.

Some of the current topics:

How to L4 for a beginner
Advice on starting L4 SOE
Ship for L4 Missions

There are several others that might help too.
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-12 23:46:32 UTC
I found the Raven to be easy mode for most level 4 missions. Even without T2 tank. Seems the logical step up if you can fly a Drake.

I also fly an Apoc (with both T2 guns and tank) and it is doable but Angel missions are super annoying and Guristas are pretty bad too. Everything else is fine though.
Kahawa Oban
New Groton Industrial Works
#4 - 2015-03-12 23:51:13 UTC
Golems; they make the red crosses disappear and you can tank a lot. Maybe overkill but they work.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#5 - 2015-03-12 23:56:12 UTC
Rattlesnake is the ticket. Even if you don't have good great drone skills, missiles alone put out almost as much DPS as a Raven, Navy Raven or Navy Scorpion. It has excellent shield resists, buffer and passive shield recharge. Not too mention that it has 6 lows and 7 mids, so there's a lot you can do with it. A bit more ISK than a Raven, but you can get into a Rattlesnake for less than a Tengu.

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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-03-12 23:57:50 UTC
Daredevils work fine, but they're probably a little lower in DPS to a maxed Tech II DNI.

Otherwise, Tengus, Marauders, or Ravens + variants.
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-03-13 00:20:54 UTC
Definitely the Raven.

If you're flying a Drake, you already have decent shield and missile skills. Raven or RNI would be the next logical step.
With Cruise Missiles and decent supports, you can hit out to 90km+ (Depending on lock range). You don't even need a massive tank if you're sniping.
Slap a MJD on that ***** and you're clearing room to room pretty fast.

Only problem I have with a Raven is the symmetry.
Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-03-13 00:27:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Gila is also an option.

Best really depends on your style.

Are you trying to blitz missions, run them at your leisure or somewhere in between?

Do you occasionally have to go afk (do you have rugrats that take priority)?

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#9 - 2015-03-13 00:27:42 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Definitely the Raven.

If you're flying a Drake, you already have decent shield and missile skills. Raven or RNI would be the next logical step.
With Cruise Missiles and decent supports, you can hit out to 90km+ (Depending on lock range). You don't even need a massive tank if you're sniping.
Slap a MJD on that ***** and you're clearing room to room pretty fast.

Only problem I have with a Raven is the symmetry.


This makes the most sense, If you already have a Drake then the next obvious step is the Raven. Raven isn't the fastest mission runner but it's dependable and easy to use (it's also boring but that's a personal pov). Once you established an income and got used to the Raven you can always look for other options, would you want to.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2015-03-13 01:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gila is also an option.

The Gila isn't bad, although it's more drone-orientated even though it's a hybrid drone-missile setup - so you do need good drone skills to get the most out of it. Considering the Rattlesnake is only $100-million more (and a lot more forgiving), I'd be more inclined towards the Rattlesnake.

Gregor Parud wrote:
This makes the most sense, If you already have a Drake then the next obvious step is the Raven. Raven isn't the fastest mission runner but it's dependable and easy to use (it's also boring but that's a personal pov). Once you established an income and got used to the Raven you can always look for other options, would you want to.

The Raven doesn't have any damage application, however - and you don't receive any of the range bonus if you utilize rapid heavy launchers. Just something to keep in-mind.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#11 - 2015-03-13 01:34:00 UTC
Many years ago (the last time I did missions) I ran level 4s in an Ishkur. It was the only time I actually enjoyed mission running.

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HiltoftheDragons
Grievance3
#12 - 2015-03-13 01:52:48 UTC
If you have your subsytems trained up....then try out a T3 cruiser.

Ive been a tengu pilot now for quite a few years now and its all ive pretty much used to effortlessly run any level 4 mission. Ive been looking on trying something new.......mabey assembling a pimped rattlesnake or some kind of blinged out battleship. Not sure which way im heading on that since i resubbed just a few weeks ago.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-03-13 02:02:52 UTC
Marauders. Any of them will do the job of lvl4's with ease if fit right (and with good core skills). Golem and Paladin are the dominate ones due to silly ranges and applied DPS.
T3's, specifically the Tengu, are still widely used.
Rattlesnake, and the cheaper option, Domi. Drones are mean.
Navy Raven, and the normal one too.

These are the dominate mission ships you'll see. Others work, but these are the majority.

Which one depends on skills and interest. Personally I use a Paladin. Rattlesnakes are a great choice they fit massive tanks. Domi's require a little more work but being Drones again are easy mode.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#14 - 2015-03-13 02:15:27 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gila is also an option.

The Gila isn't bad, although it's more drone-orientated even though it's a hybrid drone-missile setup - so you do need good drone skills to get the most out of it. Considering the Rattlesnake is only $100-million more (and a lot more forgiving), I'd be more inclined towards the Rattlesnake.

Gregor Parud wrote:
This makes the most sense, If you already have a Drake then the next obvious step is the Raven. Raven isn't the fastest mission runner but it's dependable and easy to use (it's also boring but that's a personal pov). Once you established an income and got used to the Raven you can always look for other options, would you want to.

The Raven doesn't have any damage application, however - and you don't receive any of the range bonus if you utilize rapid heavy launchers. Just something to keep in-mind.


That's what rigor rigs are for. Using rapid heavies in a lvl 4 doesn't make sense in most situations.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2015-03-13 02:21:59 UTC
Golems are mission eating machines. They're CCP's gift to high sec mission running lurkers.
Valok Morr
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-03-13 02:41:56 UTC
Generally speaking; Raven and once you can afford, CNR.

If however you only want to use 1, maybe 2 brain cells, just go for a Golem (DS Med Shield + Bastion + F1 and you got yourself an awesome lazy way to make money).
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-03-13 02:50:22 UTC
as for what outperforms a drake, well pretty much anything. As for a logical next step I'd say the raven.

for longer term goals my two favorite ships are the Paladin and Machariel. good combination of DPS, damage selection, Speed, and projection between the two ships.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2015-03-13 03:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Machariel is more or less god mode for mission running. However with your skills the raven would be a smart move for now with the option of going for the golem.

As a side note if you have only the most basic skills for battleships and you are aiming to blitz missions just to max out your isk it could be an idea to use the raven in level 3 missions in a rapid heavy setup. It is surprisingly effective at the job plus it allows you to practice using battleships with something far less risky than level 4 missions.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2015-03-13 03:48:25 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Rattlesnake is the ticket. Even if you don't have good great drone skills, missiles alone put out almost as much DPS as a Raven, Navy Raven or Navy Scorpion. It has excellent shield resists, buffer and passive shield recharge. Not too mention that it has 6 lows and 7 mids, so there's a lot you can do with it. A bit more ISK than a Raven, but you can get into a Rattlesnake for less than a Tengu.


I checked my numbers on my Raven running SOE and the Rattle expecting to prove you wrong about the missile numbers. Surprise surprise - Rattle does like 20 dps less with cruise II launchers. They don't quite reach as far, but Rattle still can hit 120k easy.

Combined with the drone numbers, if you can manage the drones and have decent skills, not great but passable, Rattle is best.

I used to swear by tengu but since the changes in ship costs, drones etc. it isn't worth it anymore.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-03-13 03:51:43 UTC
Dunno why, but most PVE pilots brawl, so they have a ship set up to tank the world.
All PVE i used to kite.
Machariel with artillery, get to range and print isk. Drones for the scram frigs, too easy.
Loki was interesting but made it so easy it was hard to stay awake.



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