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Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#21 - 2015-03-11 04:40:18 UTC
Yeah, I don't know how frequently they do tourneys over there but I don't think they've learned how major an asset logi is when dealing in small numbers like a 5-on-5 or 6-on-6 in a rigid tourney setting. Logi is HUGE when it's only 5 guys - not 12 - piling on the primary. It's so much easier to stabilize or at least delay a death well long enough that one of the logi-less teams ships will go down and take its dps output with it. If they couldn't break their first primary with six guys, it's unlikely they'd be pushing it past the RR break point with one of their guys now down. Match is effectively over at that point. This became readily apparent during ATX 6-on-6 practices and prelims.
Sturm Gewehr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-03-11 05:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturm Gewehr
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
Yeah, I don't know how frequently they do tourneys over there but I don't think they've learned how major an asset logi is when dealing in small numbers like a 5-on-5 or 6-on-6 in a rigid tourney setting. Logi is HUGE when it's only 5 guys - not 12 - piling on the primary. It's so much easier to stabilize or at least delay a death well long enough that one of the logi-less teams ships will go down and take its dps output with it. If they couldn't break their first primary with six guys, it's unlikely they'd be pushing it past the RR break point with one of their guys now down. Match is effectively over at that point. This became readily apparent during ATX 6-on-6 practices and prelims.


Watch their matches and you will see they know plenty about logi.
Mara Koseki
Zaknafein Tactical Reconnaissance
#23 - 2015-03-11 06:03:18 UTC
It will be interesting to see the fights, and they will be hard to predict regardless of how slanted they seem. Both teams have played on different servers, and each server has evolved its own meta.
Torneach Iustus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-03-11 07:31:04 UTC
Gotta say, this is so exciting.

If this is a yearly thing, it'll be cool to see how Serenity adapts to our meta, or vice versa, depending on how the fights go.
Kazaheid Zaknafein
Zaknafein Tactical Reconnaissance
#25 - 2015-03-11 07:44:28 UTC
Would be interesting of there was a new type of space that was contested by both servers. rather than a full merging of the servers a wormhole type system could allow skirmishes between the serenity and tranq
Bei ArtJay
Better Off Red
Unspoken Alliance.
#26 - 2015-03-11 09:35:09 UTC
I watched all of the footage posted on FHC of the Serenity tournaments and in most of the matches they seemed to have double logi, although it was hard to tell what exactly was going on.

Interesting that without the option of 2 logistics they discount them and go for 0. Not the brightest decision.

If eve-bet are taking bets, all of my money on TL!

I guessed that TL would win this hard, but at least hoped there would be close matches Shocked
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#27 - 2015-03-11 11:59:32 UTC
News article still has a Cerebus ship listed, though you corrected your mistake in the OP of this thread.
Baron Holbach
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2015-03-11 15:20:38 UTC
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
Yeah, I don't know how frequently they do tourneys over there but I don't think they've learned how major an asset logi is when dealing in small numbers like a 5-on-5 or 6-on-6 in a rigid tourney setting. Logi is HUGE when it's only 5 guys - not 12 - piling on the primary. It's so much easier to stabilize or at least delay a death well long enough that one of the logi-less teams ships will go down and take its dps output with it. If they couldn't break their first primary with six guys, it's unlikely they'd be pushing it past the RR break point with one of their guys now down. Match is effectively over at that point. This became readily apparent during ATX 6-on-6 practices and prelims.


Watch their matches and you will see they know plenty about logi.


can you maybe link youtube or something where this can be seen?
Eessi
Murderous Inc
Me Hearties
#29 - 2015-03-11 18:25:05 UTC
Pumped up!!!

Camel setups are very different from Angel setups. Super f'ing pumoed!
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#30 - 2015-03-11 20:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aloe Cloveris
Baron Holbach wrote:
Aloe Cloveris wrote:


can you maybe link youtube or something where this can be seen?


ATX Day 1 and 2 were 6-on-6es. I'm not at home to really dig around looking for rush vs. logi-supported matches and I don't remember any off the top of my head. I'll see if I can find specific examples when I get home, but I'm pretty sure every successful team fielded a logi after learning just how well an Oneiros/Scim scales with so few ships on field during their own practices leading up to the prelims.

In 5v5, logi becomes an even bigger asset.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8A0573710F18A02D

I'll update this post when I get home, but here's a link to the playlist of 6v6 matches for now.
Malketh Terona
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-03-11 21:44:12 UTC
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Malketh Terona wrote:
I'm rather interested to know what patch level Serenity is currently at. If they're sufficiently far behind then this match up isn't even fair.


1-3 patches or so.

They have a very similar meta for non tournament stuff compared to us.



Really now? I'm almost surprised to hear that. Either way I can't wait to see how things go, and win or lose we'll all get plastered at the pub crawl afterwards. :)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#32 - 2015-03-11 21:51:45 UTC
I don't think it's quite as one sided as many of you want to believe.

These are the two top teams on their respective servers and neither of them should be discounted. Just because you are stuck in seeing things through the Trinity meta doesn't mean Serenity hasn't got the ability to negate it with a strategy we just don't see because of the Trinity blinders we all seem to be wearing.

I look forward to watching this because of the perceived disparity between them. Not despite it.

Keep an open mind and you may find the next AT a whole lot different than in years past. I am reserving a wall of shame in my sig for all the people who are being so 'Murica' about this tournament should Serenity take the crown. Your righteous high and mighty posts will live forever, people.

Mr Epeen Cool
Darren Airtex
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-03-11 22:54:21 UTC
Myself, I think it is going to be good matches, any wins will be hard won by either side.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-03-11 23:27:06 UTC
I'm fully expecting TQ to collectively have some "wtf how'd they do that?" moments during the matches. It's not like CoA just picked 5 ships at random without knowing what they're doing.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#35 - 2015-03-12 01:24:06 UTC
Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced by the people calling it at a 3-0 wipe. I do think Camel will win overall, but looking at some of those match ups, I'm expecting them to lose at least once.

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jerryramon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-03-12 02:36:19 UTC  |  Edited by: jerryramon
Malketh Terona wrote:
Sturm Gewehr wrote:
Malketh Terona wrote:
I'm rather interested to know what patch level Serenity is currently at. If they're sufficiently far behind then this match up isn't even fair.


1-3 patches or so.

They have a very similar meta for non tournament stuff compared to us.



Really now? I'm almost surprised to hear that. Either way I can't wait to see how things go, and win or lose we'll all get plastered at the pub crawl afterwards. :)


SR is currently one major patch behind at Proteus 1.2 which was updated on Jan 28th - 15 days after implemented on TQ, however next update could be between Scylla and TQ's April update, as they generally update 2 major patches for once.
James Zimmer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-03-12 06:00:52 UTC
Dual Widow setup looks VERY interesting to me. With such a small fleet, I think it's conceivable that CoA could permajam the entire Camel fleet, and at very least, logi almost certainly won't land a rep until both of those ships are dead.
Alexis Nightwish
#38 - 2015-03-12 16:36:59 UTC
I'd like to thank CoA for hooking me up with my yacht :D

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suicide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#39 - 2015-03-12 17:06:09 UTC
Also very interested in the Serenity tournament footage. Links and all that.
Vytone
Ganja Labs
Exodus.
#40 - 2015-03-13 09:56:20 UTC
Camel could run afterburning ibis's they'd still win in 3.
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