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How profitable is null sec ratting?

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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#21 - 2015-03-12 06:00:45 UTC
SOE (Sisters) is a great corp to mission for. Space is sort of limited, in that, many of their mission hubs are in low sec.

There are several ways to pick a corp.
Location to trade hubs
Location to your friends or player corp. (If you join one)
Location that you just like in EVE.

Distribution missions get your standings started, then you can switch to security shortly after.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#22 - 2015-03-12 09:11:38 UTC
Security missions in different parts of universe (jump clones help you here) is my way of getting sights, that are not seen elsewhere. Angel cathedral, amarr bunker fortresses, pirat assembly plants etc... So it is not only ISK income, it is also the way I enjoy EVE scenery. I doubt null sec ratting can be that amusing. And the very same mission can give you very different experience, if you do it in Machariel and than in Rattlesnake, for example. From adrenalin fest to relaxing jughernaut... Those are reasons, why I prefer L4 missions as main source of ISK. Before CCP nerfed the loot couple of patches ago (Crius, I believe) it was also moment of nice surprise to check my MTU after mission. Now it is mostly metal scraps and ammo even from BS NPC so I do not wait for complete loot. But there was a time... and I kind of hope it will return one day.
bigman111222
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#23 - 2015-03-12 18:46:42 UTC
If you want to make isk and pvp join a big alliance in null, any of them worth their salt will help you rat in the local area and help you with getting into pvp. Most importantly I would say make friends with experience and learn from them.
Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-03-13 01:40:59 UTC
k thanks and what are jump clones and what are they for?, i'v just been mining so I still don't know much :/
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#25 - 2015-03-13 09:08:59 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
k thanks and what are jump clones and what are they for?, i'v just been mining so I still don't know much :/

Jump clones is the way, how you can jump from any station to any other station in the whole universe each 20-24 hours (depends on skill).
You can create jump clone in NPC stations, to whose owner you have standing 8.0 or better. After you created it, you can fly it where ever you want and then jump into your original clone. So even if you was docked deep in null, let say in PF-QHK, you can jump to Amarr high sec space in a matter of second.
Kines Pavelovna
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-03-14 21:46:17 UTC
Carrier anom ratting is apx 120mil an hour. This is just conjecture on my part from the info I've dug up scouting null farming corps; i.e. standard buyer beware boilerplate baloney.
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia
#27 - 2015-03-19 15:23:31 UTC
You can pull down a really good amount of ISK ratting in true null. Especially with good ships. Without a hauler, faction or officer spawns you can pull down about 100-120mil an hour. However, it is very normal to get hauler and faction spawn that can drop another 100-200 million+ in loot.
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#28 - 2015-03-19 18:46:45 UTC
The thing I like about ratting in nullsec, as opposed to doing missions and incursions, is the randomness of the faction spawns. Sometimes you get a worthless laser crystal, other times you get a pirate POS blueprint worth hundreds of millions. That said, nullsec missions can be very lucrative.
Dana Goodeye
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-04-12 13:11:39 UTC
this is just my opinion, but do soe missions. use a vexor navy on lvl 4 or 5 with not bad drone skills in this way: hisec fit should be low: dcu, 3 drone damage mods, one drone tracking mod, and a speed mod. overdrive or nano hull. meds are long point against the hisec pirates, 2 med shield extender and an oversized 100 nm ab. and one drone range mod in high. one t2 capacitor one t2 powergrid and one t2 shield em rig. its ab on cap stab, with point about 2-3 mins. drones in hisec are light squadron of t1 hobs, heavy squadron 2geckos, 2 t1 valkys and a hob. for losec drop one exte.der for a web, and use t2 drones. and ofc warriors not hobs. with this fit fear the inties you cant hurt them. about 700 dps, all applied. heated ab is about 1.6km/s. run from the deimos, inties, orthus, gramur, but in 1v1 you can kill or escape from any other ships, even if they land on you and get point on you. never warp with ab on, orbit the enemy in 15 km and the geckos will do the rest. this fit easily cam escape any gatecamps as well, via burn back to gate. but keep it mind, its a half or less pvp fit :D i have a similar pvp fit with 2 webs and a plate, with a little less dps, but i keep it to myself :P and if you wanna rat in low or null, you will get pvp, so have pvp ships ready. for exple a pvp vni with the same name to deceive your enemy :D and one more thing for losec ratting. against the clones drop the light drones first, maybe the silly npc gonna attack them not you. burn to the clone with some angular velocity, then ab off orbit it in 500m light drones in heavy squadron out. you will get minimal damage income. (still capable to fight off incoming assho@es :D ) good luck and losec ratting is fun because the other pvp pilots :P
Kharaxus
Eve Academy Corporation
#30 - 2015-04-13 16:05:26 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Right now I'm trying to earn a ton of isk to fund my pvping since I am a solo player, so yeah once I get a good amount i'll stop for awhile and do some pvp then go back to making isk. Right now I have a Gnosis to do missions and such in. I can pilot a retriever but mining is really boring :/


Do everything you can in your Gnosis (in high sec) and don't lose it. Skill skill skill so you can fly it better, and better.

Your retriever is going to be more profitable than ratting in whichever ship you are planning to rat in null in (I predict you will lose your Gnosis quickly in Null, stick to T1 Battlecruisers for null). Any ship you fly, with less than ideal skills, is going to have a hard time killing the rats in Null (the big Rats anyway). Research the rats you kill in null, and write it down. Preferably before you kill them - so you can learn what kills them more efficiently first.

Because mining is so straight forward and easy to do, mining in your Ret will likely be more profitable in the long run than ratting in null.......for now.

Playing eve solo can be very difficult. Playing with a few other individuals just doing missions can be great. Or those other people can really become a pain in the neck and more of a burden than anything. Seriously......find a group of people you would like to fly with, and keep searching until you find them, cause they are out there.

Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-04-13 18:13:20 UTC
Null ratting is VERY profitable, though there are some factors to consider:

1. The security level of the system in which you're ratting. Specifically, the lower the security, the higher the likelihood of high-bounty ships and faction/hauler/officer spawns. This will have a significant impact on ISK/hour calculations.
2. Safety of the system in which you're ratting. Dead end systems deep in sov space tend to out of the way enough that reds and hostile neuts are unlikely to being putzing around. The more often the system gets spiked, the more often you'll find yourself warping to safe or docking up - which means you're not killing rats and, therefore, not making ISK. This factor is of moderate to marginal significance.
3. What rats are you killing. The pirate faction of the rats generally has an impact on the upper ends of the bounty scale for the ships you're popping. Certain factions are just worth more. While the difference will generally be no more than a 10-15% variance - over the course of a week's worth of hours of ratting, that can amount of 100's of millions of ISK. This significance of this metric will vary based on how much time you spend ratting.
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#32 - 2015-04-13 23:23:31 UTC
ISK problems are so 2004

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LT NeoxsiT
LDK
#33 - 2015-04-22 13:07:29 UTC
i am ratting with black ops and its quite proffitable https://zkillboard.com/kill/46037242/
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#34 - 2015-04-22 17:35:42 UTC
Or you could join FW and not only get PVP, but make some isk by capturing plexes or doing FW missions. FW LP stores are da bomb.
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-04-27 13:03:41 UTC
Go do exploration mate, missons and mining are soul destroyingly boring.

Look for low class wormholes (Classes 1-3) from high sec and scan down the pirate data/relic sites (pirates site are ones that start with Blood Raider or Sansha or Guristas) in these wormholes and hack them.

It can make you decent isk and it lets you see lots of different parts of New Eden.

Start of with a cheap T1 frig with a T1 cloak and once your skill and isk increase get a T2 covops frig or astero and covops cloak.

You will die at some point to the locals but hopefully your wallet with be fat before you do.

If you need more advice on this shoot me a mail or pm.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#36 - 2015-05-03 02:32:50 UTC
Personally I just make ISK from my PvP

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#37 - 2015-05-03 08:43:23 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums

-Thanks :D


First of all a month in only and you are heading to null to try your luck there, impressive stuff for someone as new as that, I then had a look at your killboard and I see someone who is adventurous not afraid to take a risk and you already have sorted out how to fit for the job you are trying to do, but please do not dual tank. The issue is that you are now operating in areas where people shoot you for green on their killboard.

The real ISK is in anomalies, and to get to maximum efficiency requires a Carrier, I note that you are using a Vexor, keep at that, however there is an issue with them that you have to scoop your drones, which gives you a point of vulnerability.

Belt ratting is doable if a bit poor, when I did this in Stain for example when you could use a drake for it I got to the heady heights of 15m an hour taking into account faction drops, and salvage, but due to the nerfing of refining loot its hardly worth doing. The last time I did this I found the best ship to belt rat was a Thrasher, it does about 330 DPS with decent skills, can speed tank the BS and was cheap. You need about 220 DPS plus to take down the best BS rats by the way in belts.

That being said there are better ways to make ISK, but it is fun to do because there is always someone trying to kill you, so go cheap and expect to lose a lot of ships, but you will learn a lot. I used to PvP fit a Thrasher but I gimped the fit slightly to be able to fit a cloak, it annoys the hell out of player killers, just rat when no one is in system, if someone comes in cloak up and wait for a while, a lot of people have the attention span of a gnat and will move on, but then again you will get the AFK cloaky camper type, so with them just move system.

This can be fun just to do it, but its not profitable at all in the long term.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2015-05-04 19:42:36 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Go do exploration mate, missons and mining are soul destroyingly boring.

Look for low class wormholes (Classes 1-3) from high sec and scan down the pirate data/relic sites (pirates site are ones that start with Blood Raider or Sansha or Guristas) in these wormholes and hack them.

It can make you decent isk and it lets you see lots of different parts of New Eden.

Start of with a cheap T1 frig with a T1 cloak and once your skill and isk increase get a T2 covops frig or astero and covops cloak.

You will die at some point to the locals but hopefully your wallet with be fat before you do.

If you need more advice on this shoot me a mail or pm.



This guy nailed it for advice for a newbro.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-05-11 06:35:31 UTC
I applaud anyone that wants to try their hand at null so quickly. In null, you rate in static sites. If the alliance your chosen corp is a part of is worth its salt, there will likely be 1 or more systems with high military rating. The sites can generate upwards of 80M ISK/hour, and often times more than that.
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#40 - 2015-05-13 15:10:29 UTC
Kines Pavelovna wrote:
Carrier anom ratting is apx 120mil an hour. This is just conjecture on my part from the info I've dug up scouting null farming corps; i.e. standard buyer beware boilerplate baloney.



The guy is a month old. There's absolutely no use in telling him to sit in a carrrier or use jumpclones when he can't even pilot a Battlecruiser properly or has the faction standing to be offered Lvl 4 missions. He has to get started.
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