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How profitable is null sec ratting?
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Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-03-10 06:15:02 UTC
Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums

-Thanks :D
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#2 - 2015-03-10 06:41:02 UTC
100% profitable if you use T1 lasers or drones.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#3 - 2015-03-10 10:32:52 UTC
much isk such wow if you use a carrier or other things big like carriers

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#4 - 2015-03-10 16:46:40 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums

-Thanks :D

As Goons keep showing you null is not profitable at all. You are slave of some soverenity holding corp so you play as they time schedule you or you are a meat there. You can do some ISK for a while, but than gank comes and you lose pretty much all you have made so far.

As I understood, ratting belts NPC is like doing L4 missions in terms of ISK income. So go back to Sinq Laison, find yourself a nice friendly mission agent and start doing missions for him. Same income, less frustraition from local bullies.

As I see it null, wormhole or low sec is where you go for PVP fun, not for money. Unless you are in a really good corp and spend each and every evening defending you soverenity space you are pretty much done there.
(Hint: I never was in null sec ;) , do they really eat babies in Tribute region?)

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-10 17:04:33 UTC
Life in Null can be a job. Depends who you work for. There is no correct answer. It can be anywhere from 0 to 100% more profitable. More rewarding bounties and loot are there though, if it's that you are asking.

erg cz wrote:
do they really eat babies in Tribute region?)

Only the chubby ones that may drop faction mods.
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-03-10 18:38:01 UTC
It really depends on where you live and what tools you have available to you. Solo ishtar ratting with heavies can yield 20m ticks with good skills and about 100m an hour if you're using an MTU. Using a rattlesnake, depending on your local NPC variety, is a little better. Multibox smartbomb ratting can go significantly higher. If your space is busy you're going to see significantly less isk/hour as you have to dock more frequently.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#7 - 2015-03-10 19:17:30 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums

-Thanks :D

As Goons keep showing you null is not profitable at all. You are slave of some soverenity holding corp so you play as they time schedule you or you are a meat there. You can do some ISK for a while, but than gank comes and you lose pretty much all you have made so far.

As I understood, ratting belts NPC is like doing L4 missions in terms of ISK income. So go back to Sinq Laison, find yourself a nice friendly mission agent and start doing missions for him. Same income, less frustraition from local bullies.

As I see it null, wormhole or low sec is where you go for PVP fun, not for money. Unless you are in a really good corp and spend each and every evening defending you soverenity space you are pretty much done there.
(Hint: I never was in null sec ;) , do they really eat babies in Tribute region?)


This isnt really true, sov isnt as bad as that, you dont have to join every fleet that gets put up you can shoot npcs as much as you want, belt ratting isnt as profitable as anoms an escalations, you can get very rich doing havens and sanctums then doing the 10/10's that come from them, i get 27-30mil ticks plus loot on top and whatever loot from the 10/10 (a type reppers, bpc's etc)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#8 - 2015-03-10 20:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Faylee Freir
erg cz wrote:
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums

-Thanks :D

As Goons keep showing you null is not profitable at all. You are slave of some soverenity holding corp so you play as they time schedule you or you are a meat there. You can do some ISK for a while, but than gank comes and you lose pretty much all you have made so far.

As I understood, ratting belts NPC is like doing L4 missions in terms of ISK income. So go back to Sinq Laison, find yourself a nice friendly mission agent and start doing missions for him. Same income, less frustraition from local bullies.

As I see it null, wormhole or low sec is where you go for PVP fun, not for money. Unless you are in a really good corp and spend each and every evening defending you soverenity space you are pretty much done there.
(Hint: I never was in null sec ;) , do they really eat babies in Tribute region?)

Hisec is every bit as dangerous and action-packed as null, low, and wormholes. It's where all the faction-fit trophy-bears go because some risk adverse moron told them it's where you can go to make easy money in an environment that is easy, safe, and risk free. Every area of space comes with its own gimmicks and differences that make different situations more prevalent, but I'm here to tell you that New Eden is New Eden and maybe except for rookie chat and the starter systems - there is no "safe" and "risk free". To spread this, especially to newer players is setting them up for a shock in which they never expect their cargo expanded-fit freighter slammed full of 20b in items to get ganked. HTFU.

To answer the op: I would look to incursions or missions of that's your thing. Ganking is also viable... Look at Paranoid Loyd's killboard and try to match that in nullsec.

HTFU
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-03-10 21:30:11 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Hi, i'm pretty new to the game almost a month in and I was wondering how profitable is it? Right now i'm piloting a Shield Tank Gnosis and I have been able to go there and kill some NPCs but yeah. I need some tips on what to do and such and if the Gnosis is the right ship to use, oh and i'm sorry if this it's in the wrong place but its my first time on the forums

-Thanks :D

As Goons keep showing you null is not profitable at all. You are slave of some soverenity holding corp so you play as they time schedule you or you are a meat there. You can do some ISK for a while, but than gank comes and you lose pretty much all you have made so far.

As I understood, ratting belts NPC is like doing L4 missions in terms of ISK income. So go back to Sinq Laison, find yourself a nice friendly mission agent and start doing missions for him. Same income, less frustraition from local bullies.

As I see it null, wormhole or low sec is where you go for PVP fun, not for money. Unless you are in a really good corp and spend each and every evening defending you soverenity space you are pretty much done there.
(Hint: I never was in null sec ;) , do they really eat babies in Tribute region?)


Ratting belts is garbage tier isk. Anoms is where it's at, but then it's about 75m/h with a lot of red dodging.
Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-03-11 01:47:39 UTC
Okay, how do I start L4 missions because when I talk to an agent he says I can't do the mission :/
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#11 - 2015-03-11 02:27:34 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Okay, how do I start L4 missions because when I talk to an agent he says I can't do the mission :/

You need proper standings for different level agents. You will need to start with level 1's and grind your way up to 4's. You could also tag along with someone that does 4's. If he shares mission rewards with you, both of you will get standing gains.

I am on my phone atm so it's annoying to navigate. There are plenty of threads in the missions and complexes sub-forum on the topic of gaining standings for level 4's ASAP.

HTFU
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#12 - 2015-03-11 08:47:44 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Okay, how do I start L4 missions because when I talk to an agent he says I can't do the mission :/


Check your standings.
For level 1 missions you need -2 standings and higher
For level 2 = 1
Level 3 = 3
Level 4 = 5.

Main thing is to find the proper corp. One with level 1 - level 4 security agents in your space and high payout for loyalty points (LP).
Use eve agents side and dotlan map (google it) to find your area.
Use https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/ to find the proper corp, which will give you most ISK per 1 loyalty point.

Example: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/Astral_Mining_Inc. will give you 1666 Isk per LP if you use Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer blueprint. But Federation Navy will give you only about 600 Isk per LP because it has same LP store as faction warfare corporations. And Faction Warfare folks get ISK mostly from LP store.
Chemal Tech has same LP store as Astral mining, but you will have to travel into Amarr space to run L3 security missions. Because Chemal Tech has L3 agents in Gallente space only in low sec. Amarr are slave traders, so beware...

Interesting option is to work for sisters of eve. Their LP is one of the best.

Absolutely free head start for newcomers!. Just click the link and get extra 250 000 SP!
Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-03-11 16:29:20 UTC
Oh okay, so I just do the standard missions and then I will be able to do the higher level ones? And how do I check if I can do level 2 and so on missions?
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#14 - 2015-03-11 16:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
missions are tediously boring, what is your goal in the game, solo stuff to make isk or being part of a pvp group and pve to earn for pvp?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-11 17:02:58 UTC
Right now I'm trying to earn a ton of isk to fund my pvping since I am a solo player, so yeah once I get a good amount i'll stop for awhile and do some pvp then go back to making isk. Right now I have a Gnosis to do missions and such in. I can pilot a retriever but mining is really boring :/
Faylee Freir
Abusing Game Mechanics
#16 - 2015-03-11 19:10:03 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Right now I'm trying to earn a ton of isk to fund my pvping since I am a solo player, so yeah once I get a good amount i'll stop for awhile and do some pvp then go back to making isk. Right now I have a Gnosis to do missions and such in. I can pilot a retriever but mining is really boring :/

You'll have more fun not being a peasant and buying plex to sell. Then you can pvp all you want. Being a peasant is bad and causes you to do boring things so you can have fun later.

HTFU
Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-03-11 23:52:20 UTC
I know I will, but im not buying a plex lol, I have been straight mining since I got the game and tried a few more things. I was just wondering if there was a better way of getting isk
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#18 - 2015-03-12 00:58:53 UTC
This is relevant to your original question:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=410322&find=unread

There are other threads in the Missions & Complexes forum that might be useful for you as well.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#19 - 2015-03-12 02:09:04 UTC
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Oh okay, so I just do the standard missions and then I will be able to do the higher level ones? And how do I check if I can do level 2 and so on missions?



In game:
Open your character sheet
Scroll down, open standings
Select the 'Liked by' tab
There are 2 sections, one is factions (the top section), then the corporations.
Select a corp you have been missioning with (Caldari Navy?) and right click it. You will get 2 options. Show info or show transactions.
Show info will let you access a list of agent available to you.
Show transactions will show how your standings increase after each mission.


There are skills in the social category that help boost the standings too.

Missioning is a decent way for newbs to make isk and train combat related skills at the same time. Gets you familiar with locking, counting volleys, piloting. It also lets you *feel* how another level of a skill affects your ship. Over the course of a month, you will know what improved what, and why. Tank, DPS, Drones, Speed, etc. etc.

As others have mentioned. Don't make missioning your "end game". Use it for isk, or chill time, or whatever, but remember that EVE is a PvP game, and that's where the fun is.
Hiro Kaichi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-03-12 04:01:53 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Hiro Kaichi wrote:
Oh okay, so I just do the standard missions and then I will be able to do the higher level ones? And how do I check if I can do level 2 and so on missions?



In game:
Open your character sheet
Scroll down, open standings
Select the 'Liked by' tab
There are 2 sections, one is factions (the top section), then the corporations.
Select a corp you have been missioning with (Caldari Navy?) and right click it. You will get 2 options. Show info or show transactions.
Show info will let you access a list of agent available to you.
Show transactions will show how your standings increase after each mission.


There are skills in the social category that help boost the standings too.

Missioning is a decent way for newbs to make isk and train combat related skills at the same time. Gets you familiar with locking, counting volleys, piloting. It also lets you *feel* how another level of a skill affects your ship. Over the course of a month, you will know what improved what, and why. Tank, DPS, Drones, Speed, etc. etc.

As others have mentioned. Don't make missioning your "end game". Use it for isk, or chill time, or whatever, but remember that EVE is a PvP game, and that's where the fun is.



Thanks, and I know that's where all the fun is, just need to get some isk to fund it lol

And apparently the only thing that is available to me is distribution. So would it be a good idea to start and go with the sisters of eve corp because I heard that they were good

-Thanks :D
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