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CCP Fozzie and His nerf super ordeal.
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Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#21 - 2015-03-13 02:43:06 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
vikari wrote:
CCP should teleport them to the nearest station (in most cases that is the system you are in) and offer a perfect reprocessing event. At least we can get our money back then.


Um, ok, so capitals are worthless.
You turn them into a pile of minerals and production materials, which crashes the markets for minerals and materials.
Minerals and materials become worthless.
Then everything manufactured from minerals and materials, including subcap ships and modules, becomes worthless.
How exactly are you getting your ISK back?

My proposal would be a button to turn the capital into a hair style, hat, piercing button, necklace, brooch, belt buckle, or tattoo, so that the portrait can reflect the pilot's past glory and status. Or a pilot jacket with the ship emblazoned on its back in high detail (though it won't be as visible in the portrait).


there are not that many supercaps to crash the market upon reprocess


Call it 400 titans in all of EVE (probably a conservative answer), 75 Bil in minerals per Titan, that's roughly 30 Trillion isk in minerals. Enough to make 150,000 Battleships.

And we have not even looked at the far more populous Supercarrier.

Considering supercapital construction currently consumes a significant portion of mineral output, the combination of that demand suddenly disappearing + 30 Trillion in minerals appearing on the market (And prob close to that over again from supercarriers) would be enough to wreck new mineral demand for a very very long time.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-03-13 03:58:18 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
vikari wrote:
CCP should teleport them to the nearest station (in most cases that is the system you are in) and offer a perfect reprocessing event. At least we can get our money back then.


Um, ok, so capitals are worthless.
You turn them into a pile of minerals and production materials, which crashes the markets for minerals and materials.
Minerals and materials become worthless.
Then everything manufactured from minerals and materials, including subcap ships and modules, becomes worthless.
How exactly are you getting your ISK back?

My proposal would be a button to turn the capital into a hair style, hat, piercing button, necklace, brooch, belt buckle, or tattoo, so that the portrait can reflect the pilot's past glory and status. Or a pilot jacket with the ship emblazoned on its back in high detail (though it won't be as visible in the portrait).


there are not that many supercaps to crash the market upon reprocess


Call it 400 titans in all of EVE (probably a conservative answer), 75 Bil in minerals per Titan, that's roughly 30 Trillion isk in minerals. Enough to make 150,000 Battleships.

And we have not even looked at the far more populous Supercarrier.

Considering supercapital construction currently consumes a significant portion of mineral output, the combination of that demand suddenly disappearing + 30 Trillion in minerals appearing on the market (And prob close to that over again from supercarriers) would be enough to wreck new mineral demand for a very very long time.


Hmm i thought titans stayed untouchable aren't they? And the subject is motherships. And i'm 100% comfortable if we have price drop for majority of minerals.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
SOL Ranger
Imperial Armed Forces
#23 - 2015-03-13 10:15:20 UTC
Why not simply make all capitals significantly smaller and have them scale significantly less compared to Battleships, all combat roles could then be preserved and they could all be balanced as more practical and functional vessels.

The Vargur requires launcher hardpoints, following tempest tradition.
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2015-03-13 11:00:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tappits
I think it would be nice if Titans got the warfare link effectiveness bonus from the command ships. Make it 5% so you get a nice boost over just using a normal command ship and it makes it worth the risk but make the bonus only work on grid to balance it out a bit..
Cam also let them fit Siege Modules at the same time, ok thanks.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#25 - 2015-03-13 12:14:45 UTC
Personally, I'm against the idea of removing supercaps dps. The issue is the application against smaller hulls.

If Fighters were to be adjusted to hit unwebbed subcaps about as hard as dreadnoughts do, and regular carriers couldn't use any regular drones besides fighters anymore, all would be fixed.

Else, dropping two Nyxes/Hels onto a small dreadnought/carrier gang should imo remain a viable strategy, and forming a small task force of a handful of aeons and one or two titans should be as effective in the future as they are now. You are dropping kind of a super-expensive apex, and it's got the potential to attract EVERYONE in the proximity.

So please, let moms have their dps.
Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#26 - 2015-03-13 12:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Murkar Omaristos
what bro? Remove non-fighters from regular carriers? No thx. They've already been nerfed enough. Just nerf the tracking or resolution of fighter bombers so that supers are less effective against hulls smaller than battleships, and prevent supers from launching regular (non-fighter) drones.

But regular carriers don't need to have the ability to launch regular drones removed.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#27 - 2015-03-13 13:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Lloyd Roses wrote:
If Fighters were to be adjusted to hit unwebbed subcaps about as hard as dreadnoughts do, and regular carriers couldn't use any regular drones besides fighters anymore, all would be fixed.

If you're going to limit carriers to fighters-only, then their scan resolution and damage application needs to be buffed. Without fighter assist or the ability to follow targets into warp, I'm not sure this would be enough though.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#28 - 2015-03-13 14:12:57 UTC
Just remove all supers. Problem solved. They should never have been introduced.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#29 - 2015-03-13 14:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
vikari wrote:
CCP should teleport them to the nearest station (in most cases that is the system you are in) and offer a perfect reprocessing event. At least we can get our money back then.


Um, ok, so capitals are worthless.
You turn them into a pile of minerals and production materials, which crashes the markets for minerals and materials.
Minerals and materials become worthless.
Then everything manufactured from minerals and materials, including subcap ships and modules, becomes worthless.
How exactly are you getting your ISK back?

My proposal would be a button to turn the capital into a hair style, hat, piercing button, necklace, brooch, belt buckle, or tattoo, so that the portrait can reflect the pilot's past glory and status. Or a pilot jacket with the ship emblazoned on its back in high detail (though it won't be as visible in the portrait).


there are not that many supercaps to crash the market upon reprocess


they reprocess into components anyways then into minerals.

Space isn't right with out massive ships and even the deathstar had was more than a boosting ship

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-03-13 18:06:32 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:

If Fighters were to be adjusted to hit unwebbed subcaps about as hard as dreadnoughts do, and regular carriers couldn't use any regular drones besides fighters anymore, all would be fixed.


This doesn't make sense. Fighters are intended to be used against sub-capital targets. Dreadnaughts are not.
Kendarr
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#31 - 2015-03-13 18:23:19 UTC
Everyones answer is always like "remove supers", does no one really enjoy using them? or do you simple not own one and are offering an inexperienced opinion?

Zebra-Corp
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#32 - 2015-03-13 19:28:10 UTC
Kendarr wrote:
Everyones answer is always like "remove supers", does no one really enjoy using them? or do you simple not own one and are offering an inexperienced opinion?



The second option mostly.

Supers have some problems in how well they scale, but if you see someone whining about how they should all be removed, it's 99% likely that it's someone with class envy.
Iain Cariaba
#33 - 2015-03-13 20:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Kendarr wrote:
Everyones answer is always like "remove supers", does no one really enjoy using them? or do you simple not own one and are offering an inexperienced opinion?

Some of us actually talked to super pilots we know, and weighed the pros and cons of super ownership, before making their decision about supers. That being said...

Delete. All. Supers.
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#34 - 2015-03-13 20:17:17 UTC
Caps gain new ability: Valkyrie siege

Activation takes 10 minutes. Ship is invincible during this mode. Spawns an Eve: Valkyrie instance. Something something player built stargates.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-03-13 22:40:25 UTC
xxVastorxx wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
None of which adress the issue of 'what is the point of a supercapital' the new sov system is going to bring in. Hell, with your ideas, you can't even rat in them.



Ratting in a 30Bill isk ship is just about as dumb as mining in a 100B titan.

and yet you should always have the freedom to try it.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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