Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The "half" being anything larger than small missiles. It would be interesting to see the missile formula take into consideration radial velocity with respect to missile explosion velocity.

I look forward to it.

umm that's how they work now, their effective range is 0 to maximum. they're simply not very effective. Right now the weapon system requires no execution on the pilots side, and damage is only mitigated by going as fast as possible in literally any direction. Guns are simply much more complicated on both the sending and receiving side.

while I'd prefer missiles be completely overhauled, where relative velocity effects damage and missiles have acceleration values and delta V budgets, apparently this would lead to some serious lag issues.

having a minimum arming distance would at least require long range missile boat s require some form of range control.



cute argument by ad hominem, and yes it is.

Thank you, dear!

I'm looking forward to it.

How about if armor membranes or passive shield resist modules gave a bonus to target painting mitigation? In the real world, we use paints which absorb laser illuminater radiance, and then reemit or scatter them in frequencies other than those typically used by missile guidance systems to defeat target painting.

Target painting is also really weak. It's weaker than a comparable module like webs at close range, and doesn't really benefit frigate weapon systems. It makes ships like the Vigil be restricted to the role of supporting a heavier ship fleet's damage application, which negates the advantage of mobility. If we added a counter module in the game, perhaps we could find an indirect way to buff the target painter.

Target painters should gain some kind of benefit for gunning up against heavier ships that is not related to sig size. Perhaps some kind of heavy guided bomb system, or perhaps a new mode for weapon systems that is like an alternative to heat damage. In this mode, weapons fire more slowly, have shorter range, tracking and damage, but a portion of that damage makes it through shields and armor to hull. A target painter script would bonus this damage directly.

This would make target painters an anti-logi weapon system, as well as an indirect path to buffing heavy ship tanks against standard damage.

It's important to look at the relationships between how missiles work and what this means for targets.

Example: scourge light missile. Explosion radius of 40 and explosion velocity of 225. Base attribute of common frigate 35m sigR and 400m/s. Damage is lost natively straight away. Without ewar mods or rigs every missile system is "somewhat gimped". One of the bigger slaps in the face for heavy missiles is that lights do nearly as much damage with 3x as much application.

It's complicated. I think the drf and velocity values for missiles are the biggest problems we have right now. It's also an enduring issue of how to approach dealing with things like linked assaultfrigs due to their existing combinations of sig reductions and resists. I'd feel much more worried about a linked arty jag than a garmur without links.

Citing some other specific cases though there are a lot of balance things they do which are just ridiculous but getting yhe issue heard seems impossible. Diversity mostly exists amongst those too poor to afford the meta king ships.

Another Carebear EFT warrior complaining.

Go away, carebear. Nobody likes you.

And also what that other guy said about half the missiles being worthless.

Missile changes will happen when everyone in null sec uses them