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Tengu or Stratios for lowsec/wh exploration?

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Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-08 17:20:18 UTC
So I'm kind of at a crossroad here. I'm currently running a Gila for high sec exploration, but I want to try some more lowsec/wormhole stuff. I'm 18 days away from flying a Tengu, but only 20 hours away from the Stratios. Which one is the better ship for my purpose?
Orlacc
#2 - 2015-03-08 18:51:30 UTC
Tengu. But if you are rich and in a hurry, use a Strat to get the lay of the land as you SP for Tengu.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-08 19:20:07 UTC
T2 fit stratios is more effective and about the same price.

Obviously they are opposite ends of the skill spectrum so you really have to choose between the two.

Advantages of Tengu:

1. Missiles are great for clearing out most rats. You will struggle with frigates.
2. Better resistance profile, can tank a bit better than a strat

Advantages of stratios:

1. Drones are a very powerful damage platform, able to adapt to almost any situation
2. Covert cloak without need to refit
3. Bonus to hacking to get cans much easier
4. More cargo space
5. Scanning bonus without need to refit.
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-03-08 21:10:44 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 fit stratios is more effective and about the same price.

Obviously they are opposite ends of the skill spectrum so you really have to choose between the two.

Advantages of Tengu:

1. Missiles are great for clearing out most rats. You will struggle with frigates.
2. Better resistance profile, can tank a bit better than a strat

Advantages of stratios:

1. Drones are a very powerful damage platform, able to adapt to almost any situation
2. Covert cloak without need to refit
3. Bonus to hacking to get cans much easier
4. More cargo space
5. Scanning bonus without need to refit.


Tengu does 750+ dps and tanks 1000+ dps...stratios is nowhere near it.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-03-08 21:54:56 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 fit stratios is more effective and about the same price.

Obviously they are opposite ends of the skill spectrum so you really have to choose between the two.

Advantages of Tengu:

1. Missiles are great for clearing out most rats. You will struggle with frigates.
2. Better resistance profile, can tank a bit better than a strat

Advantages of stratios:

1. Drones are a very powerful damage platform, able to adapt to almost any situation
2. Covert cloak without need to refit
3. Bonus to hacking to get cans much easier
4. More cargo space
5. Scanning bonus without need to refit.


Tengu does 750+ dps and tanks 1000+ dps...stratios is nowhere near it.


You know how arbitrary and irrelevant your statement is without fittings, situation and any knowledge of damage application?
Gallinari
PJ Ind.
#6 - 2015-03-08 22:22:20 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 fit stratios is more effective and about the same price.

Obviously they are opposite ends of the skill spectrum so you really have to choose between the two.

Advantages of Tengu:

1. Missiles are great for clearing out most rats. You will struggle with frigates.
2. Better resistance profile, can tank a bit better than a strat

Advantages of stratios:

1. Drones are a very powerful damage platform, able to adapt to almost any situation
2. Covert cloak without need to refit
3. Bonus to hacking to get cans much easier
4. More cargo space
5. Scanning bonus without need to refit.


Tengu does 750+ dps and tanks 1000+ dps...stratios is nowhere near it.


Its not as simple as this is better than this and thats that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VlEbiuvUE
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2015-03-08 22:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
For basically free roaming null sec, Nullifier Tengu is about the best option.


Edit to add;
OP was about low sec. I never flew a Stratios, but it probably is better there.

And;
I don't recommend an *under skilled* Tengu in almost any situation.
infra52x
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-09 07:18:35 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 fit stratios is more effective and about the same price.

Obviously they are opposite ends of the skill spectrum so you really have to choose between the two.

Advantages of Tengu:

1. Missiles are great for clearing out most rats. You will struggle with frigates.
2. Better resistance profile, can tank a bit better than a strat

Advantages of stratios:

1. Drones are a very powerful damage platform, able to adapt to almost any situation
2. Covert cloak without need to refit
3. Bonus to hacking to get cans much easier
4. More cargo space
5. Scanning bonus without need to refit.





Op mentions wormhole exploration as well.... Tengu can fit nullified which comes in pretty handy I might add. Also the Emergent Locus Analyzer subsystem gives it a +10 Virus Strength to Relic and Data Analyzers.
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-03-09 07:33:24 UTC
The opinions really are split in half here :)
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-03-09 08:28:57 UTC
Gallinari wrote:
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
T2 fit stratios is more effective and about the same price.

Obviously they are opposite ends of the skill spectrum so you really have to choose between the two.

Advantages of Tengu:

1. Missiles are great for clearing out most rats. You will struggle with frigates.
2. Better resistance profile, can tank a bit better than a strat

Advantages of stratios:

1. Drones are a very powerful damage platform, able to adapt to almost any situation
2. Covert cloak without need to refit
3. Bonus to hacking to get cans much easier
4. More cargo space
5. Scanning bonus without need to refit.


Tengu does 750+ dps and tanks 1000+ dps...stratios is nowhere near it.


Its not as simple as this is better than this and thats that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VlEbiuvUE


I am talking about WH exploration and running WH combat anomalies or sites (whatever you call them). In C3 you need to perma tank around 900 dps. Stratios cannot tank this. Tengu can. With hams it does good damage. PvP is a different story, as shown on the video.
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-03-09 22:43:52 UTC
So basically, Tengu if I have enough skills to basically ace it, and if I'm doing nullsec, and stratios for everything else?
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#12 - 2015-03-10 02:07:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Shiloh Templeton
Either will do the job.

Other factors to consider: The tengu has a skill point loss if you lose the ship, and it's more at risk of a nerf than the Stratios. Where do you have the most skill points in weapon systems --- Missiles vs. Drones and Lasers? The Tengu has to make a choice on which to train & fit between HML for range, or HAM for more DPS. Stratios can load a single fit for both long & closer range DPS.

To me the big decisions are how much do you want the nullification, and do you need more total DPS than 4 sentries can provide.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2015-03-10 02:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
the stratios has fairly generous slots , cargo , fitting and a big drone capabilities if you have the skills to take advantage of it.

You can do a lot with a stratios, great PvP platform as well , you can have scram, web , prop mod, cap booster and have a slot left for something caerbear related.
can get fairly creative with the highs also, I like neuts personaly but iv seen zappidy fit blasters and have some success ,tthough I'm thinking purely for PvP so ...

You do need the drone skills for it ,the bulk of its dps is there so if you don't have t2 medium drones at least do not take one out of highsec.

T3 need a bit of isk hung off them to get the kind of performance people complain about and losing one of those could easily cripple your finances for a while,
make no mistake ,you could say the same of the stratios also but to a lesser degree.


In short, they are both good for it, but the choice I think should be dictated by which you can lose without punching your monitor and imo,
that means stratios .
Brylan Grey
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2015-03-10 05:37:11 UTC
As a low sec pilot.. Not high or null...

I say tengu.

It will offer the most versatility.

Strat is cool and all but it makes you a huge target and doesn't ha e versatility.

Both will do. They really will. Find what is cheaper for you and your skills offer assistance to.
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-03-10 07:59:41 UTC
Considering I don't have the laser skills, I'd say I need about the same amount of time to be skilled at either. Tough decisions, indeed. The Stratios do look a bit cheaper overall though, and I'm probably going to train for lasers anyway. Heck, I might even do some pvp and looking at JonnyPew's video, the stratios could be fun :)
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-03-10 09:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Janey T'gahl
By the way, can anyone recommend a great stratios fit that would mainly be for lowsec exploration, but could also defend itself if jumped?


edit: I can't fit lasers yet, but I have pretty decent railgun skills. Would that be viable on a stratios?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-03-10 14:03:28 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:
I am talking about WH exploration and running WH combat anomalies or sites (whatever you call them). In C3 you need to perma tank around 900 dps. Stratios cannot tank this. Tengu can. With hams it does good damage. PvP is a different story, as shown on the video.


The only sites that you have to tank more than 600 DPS in are certain relic/data sites.

Also, show me a fit that can apply 750 DPS while tanking 1k in a tengu.
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-03-10 14:04:19 UTC
Janey T'gahl wrote:
By the way, can anyone recommend a great stratios fit that would mainly be for lowsec exploration, but could also defend itself if jumped?


edit: I can't fit lasers yet, but I have pretty decent railgun skills. Would that be viable on a stratios?


Railguns are bad, m'kay?

Fit neuts to escape from tacklers (or to kill them). Your choice if you want to have an active or buffer fit depending on your needs/skills:

[Stratios, sneaky sneaky]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Warp Disruptor II
Relic Analyzer I
PL-0 Scoped Cargo Scanner
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Gecko x1
Hammerhead II x4


I like the Gecko for the extra DPS.
Janey T'gahl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-03-10 22:20:35 UTC
Agent Known wrote:
Janey T'gahl wrote:
By the way, can anyone recommend a great stratios fit that would mainly be for lowsec exploration, but could also defend itself if jumped?


edit: I can't fit lasers yet, but I have pretty decent railgun skills. Would that be viable on a stratios?


Railguns are bad, m'kay?

Fit neuts to escape from tacklers (or to kill them). Your choice if you want to have an active or buffer fit depending on your needs/skills:

[Stratios, sneaky sneaky]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

Warp Disruptor II
Relic Analyzer I
PL-0 Scoped Cargo Scanner
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Gecko x1
Hammerhead II x4


I like the Gecko for the extra DPS.



Thank you. But how viable would that fit be in pve?
Orlacc
#20 - 2015-03-11 01:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Not much. It would work but there are better ways. Excellent for exploration though.

A good fit for null/WH exploration or PvP will not be a good PVE fit and visa versa. All ships are like that. Carry a mobile depot for quick re-fit.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

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