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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2015-03-11 22:52:34 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
What is the most it can cost you?

time
which is money too


So when someone asks me how long it takes to drive to Chicago, I can say $306?

Cause if someone answered me that way, I'd punch them.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Jenshae Chiroptera
#62 - 2015-03-11 22:53:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
sabre906 wrote:

Fear not the afk cloakie! Fonzie's coming to the rescue!

He's going to remove local and make it all better. Well, actually, all he said was that it's a psychological issue, afk cloakie problem will be solved in a way ppl won't expect, and that afk cloakie is not a problem in whs, all in the same sentence.

So... think positive.Bear
Idiot solutions obviously. Roll
Now we either have a cloaky watching the gates to spot them just before they cloak and when they leave or we leave Null.
Worm holes that appear? Go watch them also until someone leaves via them or get a fleet in who really want to go roaming and try get them to break the link.

That won't even satisfy me with perfect scouts sitting on gates and perfect scanners because you can't hot drop more cloakers droppers in worm holes.

Attention If we wanted to have no local we would live in worm holes.

Please CCP, slash Fozzie Logic's drug budget and hire another designer to help him.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
PhantomMajor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2015-03-12 04:44:38 UTC
Kiandoshia wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
I love null sec because it's free of di*kheads like CODE and James who take up station tanking the first chance they get if a real fight breaks out. Wardecks mean squat in null coz you know these tough guy wannabes will never go south of a 0.5 system...They sneer at miners and have the audacity to call them "Carebears" all hail the glorious hypocrites

People in null who wanna pvp do...simples!


I actually have seen CODE guys in 0.0 before. They even killed mining ships. It was all rather funny.


I didn't see it happen, therefore it didn't....Q.E.D. lol
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2015-03-12 12:53:37 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Agent Known wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
[quote=Tipa Riot]

Fozzies head has been largely shown to be up his ass on quite a few subjects lately. The only thing stopping me from dropping a dedicated alt into highsec incursions is the time and money it would take to train up a third account or plex up dual training. I view direct nullsec income generation (Ratting) to be a last ditch effort thing i do to make money.

I didn't run imports for ages because rat isk was so good.


Well, a majority of the income from nullsec is moon goo. You can easily pull hundreds of billions a month with a network of towers and a few reaction farms.

And where does this ISK go? Ask your leaders. Sure, there's SRP and other "programs" like buybacks and such, but that's not the full story.



To boldly go where no man has gone before ... Blink


No, I am pretty sure the train to crazy town stops in GD on a regular schedule.


This is true.

If they tell you, they'd have to biomass you Lol

But seriously, the majority of income in nullsec is locked to moon-holding alliances. While I have no idea where that money actually goes, it's obviously not going to the corporations.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#65 - 2015-03-12 16:20:27 UTC
PhantomMajor wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
PhantomMajor wrote:
People in null who wanna pvp do...simples!
I actually have seen CODE guys in 0.0 before. They even killed mining ships. It was all rather funny.
I didn't see it happen, therefore it didn't....Q.E.D. lol
When I first started speaking out about what carebears gankers are, CODE sent a contingent into Null Sec with a 97% ISK loss.
It was hilarious! Lol
Would love to see them do that more often. Maybe they would empathise with the utter violation they inflict on their victims more then. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2015-03-12 17:31:27 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
What is the most it can cost you?

time
which is money too


So when someone asks me how long it takes to drive to Chicago, I can say $306?

Cause if someone answered me that way, I'd punch them.

yes if you are paying for your car based of time of using. Then paying $400 for it knowing that time spend to drive to Chicago will take $306 of it would be pretty strange decision.

Talking about Eve: you are paying for access to the game. And if you spent some time without fun you have paid for it too. And time here is easily convertible to money.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#67 - 2015-03-13 01:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
March rabbit wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
What is the most it can cost you?

time
which is money too


So when someone asks me how long it takes to drive to Chicago, I can say $306?

Cause if someone answered me that way, I'd punch them.

yes if you are paying for your car based of time of using. Then paying $400 for it knowing that time spend to drive to Chicago will take $306 of it would be pretty strange decision.

Talking about Eve: you are paying for access to the game. And if you spent some time without fun you have paid for it too. And time here is easily convertible to money.


My daughter just came back from a trip to Chicago. A direct flight from there to Toronto would be about 45 minutes. But instead she saved $300 by flying half way to Florida and changing planes to fly all the way back. Took about 5 hours.

I know this ties in with what I quoted somehow, so just accept that I'm making a reasonable point and be on your way.

Mr Epeen Cool
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-03-13 05:31:26 UTC
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
With the upcoming sov changes I was thinking about null as a home ... but I still can't see the benefits to actually live in nullsec. Logistics, market access, defending sov, required highsec alts, ... all too strong negative points IMO.

For those of you having their main place of residence in null, please tell what were your reasons to move and stay?

On the EVE Down Under podcast CCP Fozzie pretty much said null has truck loads of ISK being made. Like a LOT! So don't believe all the babies crying that it is not worth living in null. It very much is worth it and once these new sov changes happen, it will be even better.


My real issue with Fozzle's statement is that it didn't distinguish on that being per person, or per hour. There are a lot of people in null spending a lot of time making isk.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-03-13 08:38:08 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Gypsien Agittain wrote:
Those of you that think that a regular line-member of an alliance makes more money in nullsec than an average highsec carebear know absolutely nothing about wealth generation in EVE.


And that's not a problem with the available wealth in 0.0, that's a problem with how its distributed and that's down to how corporations and alliances are run, and THAT is down to the players, not CCP.





There is plenty of bottom up income but its slowly being devalued.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#70 - 2015-03-13 19:08:52 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
What is the most it can cost you?

time
which is money too


So when someone asks me how long it takes to drive to Chicago, I can say $306?

Cause if someone answered me that way, I'd punch them.


If course you would punch them, you asked them for time. It is like asking for Dollars and getting Yen. You don't want the value in Yen, but it does not mean they are not interchangeable.

I hope this is a troll, because if you haven't figured out how tightly time and money are relate, you are going to have a difficult financial life, unless daddy already made money for you.

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Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2015-03-15 02:37:23 UTC
The best reason to be in null is simply to be part of a really big space tribe. There is always social activity, and fights with other space tribes. Plus, it makes the forum arguments about highsec so much more entertaining. CODE could assemble its entire strength and they'd be hard pressed to take on a BRAVE harpy fleet.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#72 - 2015-03-15 03:01:59 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
The best reason to be in null is simply to be part of a really big space tribe. There is always social activity, and fights with other space tribes. Plus, it makes the forum arguments about highsec so much more entertaining. CODE could assemble its entire strength and they'd be hard pressed to take on a BRAVE harpy fleet.
Aren't you guys Low Sec pirates now? P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2015-03-15 18:38:49 UTC
Clearly, staging in a lowsec system for 2 weeks while raiding primarily nullsec entities means an entire alliance went lowsec pirate. I mean we gave up our sov and everything.. oh wait.. aren't you IN one of those nullsec entities we were raiding?

I sense buttburt. hold on while I check my killboard...











yup.. butthurt.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2015-03-15 21:55:08 UTC
er what, fcon lives right next to us in beautiful Branch...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2015-03-16 16:20:45 UTC
There are many reasons to live in nullsec, but isk generation definitely isn't one of them.

The fact is that NPC nullsec and it's level 4 missions is more worthwhile for isk-making than sov-null.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#76 - 2015-03-16 16:35:55 UTC
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
There are many reasons to live in nullsec, but isk generation definitely isn't one of them.


All those corps paying massive rental fees for null money fountains might disagree with you. And so would the alliances renting them out.

If not for the easy ISK generation with its ability to allow members to fight for free (read SRP), null would be a pretty empty and boring place.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#77 - 2015-03-16 16:39:26 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
There are many reasons to live in nullsec, but isk generation definitely isn't one of them.


All those corps paying massive rental fees for null money fountains might disagree with you. And so would the alliances renting them out.

If not for the easy ISK generation with its ability to allow members to fight for free (read SRP), null would be a pretty empty and boring place.

Mr Epeen Cool


Like Fozzie, it simply means you don't understand the issue (and knowing you , you probably don't want to understand). The presence of renters prove the OPPOSITE of what you believe. Human beings don't rent out things with enough value to be held on their own merits.

I responded at more length to What Speedkermit is saying in Features and Ideas, people who might actually want to understand the issue might consider giving it a read.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#78 - 2015-03-16 16:54:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Human beings don't rent out things with enough value to be held on their own merits.


Do you even think before you spurge all over your keyboard? Human beings make money all the frikkin' time renting out stuff they don't have the time to deal with. The value is in holding the rights to something and making money off it with no effort.

Ask your landlord, the guy at the car rental place, the people behind the counter where you rent your tools and equipment and a hundred more that I can think of.

Mr Epeen Cool
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#79 - 2015-03-16 17:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Arronicus wrote:
My real issue with Fozzle's statement is that it didn't distinguish on that being per person, or per hour. There are a lot of people in null spending a lot of time making isk.


That doesn't correlate well to time and attention spent anyway. If I park an alt in an AFKtar in some deep bearhaven and the alt pulls down 80M ISK/hr while I sit on a titan/roam/am otherwise preoccupied on my main, I've completely buried the time spent making ISK. Whereas, if I'm actively involved in cherry-picking and blitzing level 4s, cashing in LP, and trading the loyalty store items, I may make more ISK/hr, but it's all I'm doing. The real value of the AFKtar isn't ISK/hr, but ISK/attention. You're effectively getting paid 80M/hr to PVP. The fact that your alt may be on for 4-5 hours a day is buried in your main activity; it's significantly less of a burden then if you had to rat for 1 hour on your main to get the same ISK.

You can AFK run L4s. I know a EVE vet (2005? IIRC), since unsubscribed, who did it in double-sentry-Dominix setups. The ISK/hr from doing that is comparatively low. The reason it was appealing is that he could go do something else--not just something else in game, but something like dinner with his family--and any ISK he made was better than the 0 ISK he'd otherwise be making. Same logic, basically.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#80 - 2015-03-16 17:09:19 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Human beings don't rent out things with enough value to be held on their own merits.


Do you even think before you spurge all over your keyboard? Human beings make money all the frikkin' time renting out stuff they don't have the time to deal with. The value is in holding the rights to something and making money off it with no effort.

Ask your landlord, the guy at the car rental place, the people behind the counter where you rent your tools and equipment and a hundred more that I can think of.

Mr Epeen Cool


Yep, not interested in the truth, again. At least you are consistent..

How many of those real life landlords rent out their own homes? their own personal vehicles? How many of them became landlords because they had not good options after the government screwed up their personal lands?

While renting in this game has always existed in some form or another, how much null space was up for rent prior to Dominion and the events detailed in the blog I linked above? This is an issue for which I am intimately familiar while you obviously are not, and yet somehow I'm the one "spurging all over a keyboard". Typical of you.